Sewerage dumped in rivers

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Doesn't stop them imposing expensive solutions on private micro-businesses, farms, that are not responsible for even a tiny fraction of the total discharges.

Of note is that the 400,000 discharges are not accidental and only cover England. Add on the number in Wales and Scotland and N Ireland and you would have a substantially higher number of high volume discharges of sewerage done on purpose.

It seems that they try to justify it on the grounds of being during 'extreme weather events'. Would that wash if farmers did it I wonder? 400,000+ times a year!! 🤬


I have a feeling this the direction we are heading for domestic property if a water course, or good soak-away sub-base is available. Of course for City's where most the waste is generated, a limited option, however it makes sense to treat sewage waste as source.
 

delilah

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In the long list of insane things that humans do, using potable water to flush turds away must be near the top.

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dowcow

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Location
Lancashire
My sister used to live downstream of a certain cities sewage works, on the edge of a tidal bit of the river. I remember after one heavy rainfall event she was saying that it looked like a few farmers upstream must have used the event to get rid of a bit of slurry by letting it down the river, and they could tell this happened quite often during big storms as the river had a smell to it and was more likely to see a bit of froth on it. Well, I'm not saying all farmers upstream have never done this as I've heard it said before from certain characters up in yon hills there is an easy option if the slurry store is full and there's 10 million gallons a minute of river in full flood flowing past, but I'm going to guess the funny smell is more likely usually caused by whatever happens to be in the cities sewers at the time of the arrival of prolonged heavy rainfall.

Surely most cities have separate surface water and sewage drains though?

Around here the larger villages had sewers put in relatively recently and they replaced septic tanks, with surface water having fairly ancient man-made ditches and waterways. The lack of sewage system previously was often used as a reason for the village not to grow, and it would seem now the village is growing and in heavy rainfall events raw sewage come up out of the middle of the road.
 

vantage

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Pembs
The solution is more investment.

It’s not an accident that Welsh Water/Dwr Cymru have the best figures and are not for profit.
That isn’t true. The figures refer to the Welsh Water/Dwr Cymru sewerage works in England, obviously there are not many , but they’re making a useful contribution. They’re a complete useless bunch of cowboys, preferring to blame farmers rather than get a grip on their situation.
 

Suffolksucklers

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Suffolk
This is a problem that is not easily resolved. A fully functioning sewerage treatment plant is using bacteria as part of the breakdown process, if there is extremely high rainfall and flooding, and sewers become full and overwhelmed, this cannot go through the process, as all the living bacteria will be flushed, and the whole plant becomes inoperable until the next medium is working again.

No easy solution.

Perhaps they should then be required to have six months storage as they require Farmers too so in the event of a high rainfall event they can utilise the storage and then trickle it through with the other after.
 

Foxhollow

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
The biggest problem is the base infrastructure was all started in Victorian times so in the big towns and cities the main sewage system is old. Also in the UK we mix rainwater run off with our sewage so with the increase in paved areas, driveways, housing new and extensions and add to that the increase in large rain events our sewage system cannot cope. In London there are now building the Thames Tunnel all the way from Hammersmith to Beckton sewage treatment plant (diameter the size of a London bus). Which will capture all the storm event sewage which currently flows into the Thames and stock it until Beckton Sewage Plant can process it. Beckton was/ is the largest sewage treatment plant in Europe.

In alot of new housing developments they are now required to have ponds to take the rain water run off instead of putting into the sewage system.

Unfortunately spending on a national large scale sewage infrastructure is not a priority for any government as it is a long term project which none will reap the benefits for attracting voters. All Governments of what ever colour only want to spend money on ideas projects which will come to fruition in the 4 year term. That is why we lag behind all the major economies in terms of all types national infrastructure, no Government wants to make a decision or commitment and always leave it to the next one who does the same. Just look at fibre optic broadband, railway infrastructure, power generation and road infrastructure all suffering from the same.
 

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