Sfi/elms

Adeptandy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
PE15
There always seems to be these things a strange concept that farmers aren’t a professional business and cannot be paid appropriately. The vets get to charge their full whack for the health visit on Sfi, if you get fencing done on a scheme it’s not at a discount to the person doing it, yet the person covering all the risk of these and dealing with Defra when they mess it up gets maybe minimum wage.

I got charged £160 by the plumber for travelling time last week to pick up a £15 part and come and fit it so 2 visits. I have a friend involved in hs2 maintainence for tree surgeons and he says they cannot spend the money they make fast enough but when it comes to the likes of this it’s here is a few quid be quiet.

As an engineer who farms for me it’s pay sensible numbers of the answer will be no.
The plumber charge caught my attention :eek:
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Yes I’ve read it properly now 🤦🏻‍♂️ I was under the impression it was to take it out of production to make it environmentally friendly, I get it know 👍🏻😂
They will be more money but probably won’t compete with current prices and growing crops. I know a few people with big areas in countryside stewardship at the moment and they aren’t liking it with current prices
 

Tucker86

Member
Arable Farmer
They will be more money but probably won’t compete with current prices and growing crops. I know a few people with big areas in countryside stewardship at the moment and they aren’t liking it with current prices
I bet there not , but other years it maybe better I suppose that’s the chance whatever you do
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
They will be more money but probably won’t compete with current prices and growing crops. I know a few people with big areas in countryside stewardship at the moment and they aren’t liking it with current prices
Stewardship looks a bit underwhelming atm, bit might look better than Nitram at say £500/t, wheat at £150 and one of those seasons where it struggles to yield 3t/acre. Or one of those seasons where it's too wet to sow in Autumn, so we drill S. Barley, then no rain and 1.5t/acre @£130/t.

Who knows what will happen with yields and prices.
Stewardship isn't very exhilarating, but does put a base profit in a proportion of the land, just sleepless nights worrying what the inspector will say. Hey ho.
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Stewardship looks a bit underwhelming atm, bit might look better than Nitram at say £500/t, wheat at £150 and one of those seasons where it struggles to yield 3t/acre. Or one of those seasons where it's too wet to sow in Autumn, so we drill S. Barley, then no rain and 1.5t/acre @£130/t.

Who knows what will happen with yields and prices.
Stewardship isn't very exhilarating, but does put a base profit in a proportion of the land, just sleepless nights worrying what the inspector will say. Hey ho.
Agree. We all have land, or areas that are not profitable to grow crops on.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Wonder what ELMS mid-tier replacement will look like. Hope it's not less money than currently on offer, which don't seem to have increased for past 10 years or so. In fact, mid-tier on a bit of SSI grassland pays less than it did in the early 1990's, yet as a SSI there's nothing we can do about it. What planet are RPA on? How an earth do they think we can carry on like that.

Thankfully we've only got a few acres of SSSI, and it actually worked in my favour for a change, as it more or less guaranteed entry into mid-tier, therefore we chose all the options and areas we wanted, and got accepted without too much box ticking. Just hope glyphosate and stewardship seed costs don't erode the margins too much
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
They will be more money but probably won’t compete with current prices and growing crops. I know a few people with big areas in countryside stewardship at the moment and they aren’t liking it with current prices
The point is that to max out on SFI or CS etc, you need to have the mindset of farming with a MF390 and a dog. No big capital spend on kit etc.
 

delilah

Member
The point is that to max out on SFI or CS etc, you need to have the mindset of farming with a MF390 and a dog. No big capital spend on kit etc.

Looks like we're in the money then, all we've got is a 390 and a dog :ROFLMAO: .

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Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Stewardship looks a bit underwhelming atm, bit might look better than Nitram at say £500/t, wheat at £150 and one of those seasons where it struggles to yield 3t/acre. Or one of those seasons where it's too wet to sow in Autumn, so we drill S. Barley, then no rain and 1.5t/acre @£130/t.

Who knows what will happen with yields and prices.
Stewardship isn't very exhilarating, but does put a base profit in a proportion of the land, just sleepless nights worrying what the inspector will say. Hey ho.
Had a farm inspected October 2021 for a mid tier arable offer commencing January 2021. Was a tad surprised! Few things we knew wrong. Inspector was very reasonable. no penalties applied but advice and agreement will check in Spring. Hopefully seeing the first of non EU driven ‘Eustace’ inspections.
 

Formatted

Member
Livestock Farmer
Most family farms are asset rich and cash poor. So would have to sell up or sell off to pay the tax.
Tough isn't it? Why should you be able to pass millions down to your children when someone who's worked all their life and created value for their family loses it to the tax man?
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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    Votes: 30 16.0%
  • 50-75%

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  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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