Share farming/ contract farming sheep

[Jonp]

The issue comes when the landlord (or agent) realises this. As a reward for your hard work they will expect more rent.

Absolutely! However I find myself with a good landlord who wants his ground farmed and kept tidy and is genuinely interested in helping me.
Pay £60 acre, and live on farm in caravan. I do remind him occasionally that the shed I put up and the roadway I put in and all the fence and grass improvements will be there when I leave (in a box) and he's happy with that....after all I am increasing the value of this tenancy for his family long term.

Couldn't rent a small flat/bedsit for twice the rent I pay here just to put everything in my perspective.

 

[ollie989898]

How many of you chap's who either begrudge a land owner a cut of the profits or think you have the right to rent it for circa £30 an acre, would go out and spend £10,000 on an acre of ground and then let it for £30 to some hero who'd just gone and spent £20 on a screw old hill ewe off the side of a mountain to keep on it, who then turns round and bad mouths you because you don't deserve a return on your investment.

If you are spending 10K an acre only to put sheep on it and expecting it to wipe it's own face then you deserve everything you get IMO.

 

[ollie989898]

Someone I rent off thought this so they had 5 bottle lambs. They refused to put fly treatment on when I offered it for free. They were looking after them themselves and planned on breeding this flock of 5 up to a flock of 100 ewes. I didn’t see them for a while but whenever I asked they said they were in the shade in the pallet shelters they’d made. 1 out of the 5 survived eventually. They asked me in to shear them after they’d already lost 2 to maggots. Felt seriously sorry for the sheep. They havnt had any since.

And this is why you should need a license to farm- too many animals being kept by morons who don't know even the basics mean terrible welfare. Joe Public should not be able to keep livestock.

 

[Jonp]

Fine till the local dairy farmer looks over the fence and takes a fancy to it.
Then you will be paying rent on your own work/capital

Surrounded by urban on all sides, very difficult access to farm, steep fields, wouldn't happen.

 

[Al R]

And this is why you should need a license to farm- too many animals being kept by morons who don't know even the basics mean terrible welfare. Joe Public should not be able to keep livestock.

My thoughts to, they wouldn’t go out and buy a cow so why go and buy 6 sheep?

 

[hendrebc]

Hmm a license to farm sounds like the thin end if a wedge I don't want to see...
But understand why you are saying it. Some people shouldn't have animals full stop nit just farm animals.

 

[glasshouse]

And this is why you should need a license to farm- too many animals being kept by morons who don't know even the basics mean terrible welfare. Joe Public should not be able to keep livestock.

Dream on
It would just mean more bollox for us, and jo public ignore it as usual
They can buy roundup at tesco and put the halfused container in the wheelie bin, i rest my case

 

[Al R]

Dream on
It would just mean more bollox for us, and jo public ignore it as usual
They can buy roundup at tesco and put the halfused container in the wheelie bin, i rest my case

and pour it down the drains…

 

[MRT]

^this. The sharing of profits, after the ‘contractor’s charge’ is taken, is where the agreement would be likely to fall down most years I would think.

Not always, the share of losses can be a sticking point also. Landowner/farmers are used to running a loss through investing in the farm and paying no tax

 

[ollie989898]

Dream on
It would just mean more bollox for us, and jo public ignore it as usual
They can buy roundup at tesco and put the halfused container in the wheelie bin, i rest my case

License to keep livestock is needed so that the ministry can stop people who shouldn't have animals from keeping them.

 

[unlacedgecko]

License to keep livestock is needed so that the ministry can stop people who shouldn't have animals from keeping them.

They're all supposed to be on a register via CPH and movements reporting anyway. That's not enforced. Why would a licence be any different?

 

[Estate fencing.]

We have had this before. One infringement on 3000 head of sheep and I could loose my business where as the person with 5 dire pet lambs still wouldn’t give a shite.

 

[ollie989898]

They're all supposed to be on a register via CPH and movements reporting anyway. That's not enforced. Why would a licence be any different?

It's not the licensing that would be enforced. It would allow people found with no license to have their animals seized and criminal charges brought instantly. Similarly, if trading standards turn and find the place is a disaster, thy can revoke the license instantly and take the animals away.

 

[unlacedgecko]

It's not the licensing that would be enforced. It would allow people found with no license to have their animals seized and criminal charges brought instantly. Similarly, if trading standards turn and find the place is a disaster, thy can revoke the license instantly and take the animals away.

It would take approx 6 months for vegans/animal rights extremists to work this out, infiltrate trading standards and weaponize the licencing process.

You'd see farms shut down left right and centre over nothing.

 

[ollie989898]

It would take approx 6 months for vegans/animal rights extremists to work this out, infiltrate trading standards and weaponize the licencing process.

You'd see farms shut down left right and centre over nothing.

Trading standards can already do it. This would just make it a lot easier for them to apply to the courts and get animals removed from hideous conditions much more rapidly.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Trading standards can already do it. This would just make it a lot easier for them to apply to the courts and get animals removed from hideous conditions much more rapidly.

You have a lot more faith in the authorities than I do.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

The last thing we need is another layer of bureaucracy and bull crap for them above too clobber us with. We want LESS government interference in our businesses, not more!

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Trading standards can already do it. This would just make it a lot easier for them to apply to the courts and get animals removed from hideous conditions much more rapidly.

Hideous conditions is emotive. Pig farmers with good practise that feed indoor pigs can be viewed as hideous farming methods by the enemy. ANY opportunity for them too get at the industry as a whole should be slammed with a straight NO.

 

[ollie989898]

You have a lot more faith in the authorities than I do.

Trading standards have carried out this role for years. They have successfully brought prosecution against people keeping livestock before, to do this I believe they require a vet to make a formal inspection of the beasts in question. They cannot act unilaterally and are themselves subject to oversight and a complaints process. The main issue is that collecting information and evidence takes a lot of time before a case can be made in a court of law. All professionals on this forum who keep livestock should be in favour of any process that means the time animals spend in abject misery kept as brief as physically possible. Not stuck there for days or weeks until a proper legal case can be brought.

 

[ollie989898]

Hideous conditions is emotive. Pig farmers with good practise that feed indoor pigs can be viewed as hideous farming methods by the enemy. ANY opportunity for them too get at the industry as a whole should be slammed with a straight NO.

It is all subject to inspection by a real deal vet who would then be called upon to act as an expert witness and then subject to their own professional scrutiny.