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Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
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Cheshire
It is all subject to inspection by a real deal vet who would then be called upon to act as an expert witness and then subject to their own professional scrutiny.
And when it is found there is nothing wrong the farmer has once again been subjected too yet more mental stress and hassle for absolutely no gain.
I personally get very stressed before every inspection in case they find any problems. I never worry about the livestock side. But it’s the paperwork side that causes the most strife. After every inspection so far we’ve passed with very little to improve upon but I still don’t need the hassle.
Why are we obsessed with creating more rods for our own backs?!
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
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Cheshire
It's not the licensing that would be enforced. It would allow people found with no license to have their animals seized and criminal charges brought instantly. Similarly, if trading standards turn and find the place is a disaster, thy can revoke the license instantly and take the animals away.
You can bet your boots that the licensing would be enforced. It’s another layer of government that would provide yet more employment for their already bloated workforce which is paid for by our tax money
 
And when it is found there is nothing wrong the farmer has once again been subjected too yet more mental stress and hassle for absolutely no gain.
I personally get very stressed before every inspection in case they find any problems. I never worry about the livestock side. But it’s the paperwork side that causes the most strife. After every inspection so far we’ve passed with very little to improve upon but I still don’t need the hassle.
Why are we obsessed with creating more rods for our own backs?!

If you don't believe trading standards can't do the job correctly then say so. They already conduct inspections. They already bring prosecutions to people.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Cheshire
If you don't believe trading standards can't do the job correctly then say so. They already conduct inspections. They already bring prosecutions to people.
You’re right, I don’t think they do their job correctly. They spend far too much time wasting other peoples time on issues that aren’t sufficient too require their attention. Then when you have a real issue you need to report (like scab infested sheep next door) they are very busy and nowhere too be seen. Yet they have all day too stand around markets looking perplexed at a sheep with Scottish ear tags in an English market.
 
So why does anything need to change?

Because it takes days and weeks for them to collect the necessary evidence to get animals off a farm where they are clearly being neglected. Perhaps I am not explaining myself properly and you could ask someone of the hurdles involved in taking legal action against people who are unwilling or unable to keep livestock properly. It's an animal welfare issue that I am trying to elaborate on here ultimately. The industry should be in favour of any measures designed to improve or defend it as measures like RT have zero practical or legal weight in the real world.
 
Because it takes days and weeks for them to collect the necessary evidence to get animals off a farm where they are clearly being neglected. Perhaps I am not explaining myself properly and you could ask someone of the hurdles involved in taking legal action against people who are unwilling or unable to keep livestock properly. It's an animal welfare issue that I am trying to elaborate on here ultimately. The industry should be in favour of any measures designed to improve or defend it as measures like RT have zero practical or legal weight in the real world.
You don't know what you're talking about, if rt have no legal weight, how come they can stop farms selling milk without going on the farm or giving a reason.
 
Because it takes days and weeks for them to collect the necessary evidence to get animals off a farm where they are clearly being neglected. Perhaps I am not explaining myself properly and you could ask someone of the hurdles involved in taking legal action against people who are unwilling or unable to keep livestock properly. It's an animal welfare issue that I am trying to elaborate on here ultimately. The industry should be in favour of any measures designed to improve or defend it as measures like RT have zero practical or legal weight in the real world.
Sounds like in your ideal world you'd have a direct line to rt, then when rt say withdraw someone's right to sell milk, they then pick up the phone to you, right we've withdrawn their income, they now can't buy anymore feed, just be a good boy now and pop along, withdraw their licence and confiscate their cattle. Don't tell me, but I bet your a fully paid up member of the nfu.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Ffs
Why plough the leys?
Big farm sale locally today
1800 acres going to trees, tenant out
This is do fuxxed up its not funny
All this rewilding/carbon offsetting makes me so angry, especially when so much can be done for the environment/wildlife with a bit of sensitive regenerative farming that still produces food and keeps people in the countryside.
 

Boso

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Serious question, what percentage of turnover do you think rent should be?
My full time ocupation, working for the Province over here, is managing 4000 hectares. We think the total projected profit (time frame is not always clear) is 3% annually. Which is really hard to achieve if only from rent and the increasing value of the land itself.

Some perspective to show you how lucky you are, land prices over here are €75-100k per hectare and rent is €500-1000 per year.
As a landowner, over here, the highest reveneu comes from hectares with environmental scemes (rewildering which is still useable to graze).
€10-15k per ha, rent is €250 per year.
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
My full time ocupation, working for the Province over here, is managing 4000 hectares. We think the total projected profit (time frame is not always clear) is 3% annually. Which is really hard to achieve if only from rent and the increasing value of the land itself.

Some perspective to show you how lucky you are, land prices over here are €75-100k per hectare and rent is €500-1000 per year.
As a landowner, over here, the highest reveneu comes from hectares with environmental scemes (rewildering which is still useable to graze).
€10-15k per ha, rent is €250 per year.

What percentage of your farming business turnover do you pay in rent?
 
You don't know what you're talking about, if rt have no legal weight, how come they can stop farms selling milk without going on the farm or giving a reason.
I don't know the ins and outs of RT regards dairies but I would think the situation is that the farmer's contract states that he must be RT assured to sell milk to the processor. If he is suspended from RT due to (hopefully) a legitimate non-compliance, then he no longer fulfils his contractural obligations. He could still sell milk to somewhere that doesn't require RT (very unlikely of course). RT have no statutory powers. Would be different if a Food Standards Agency inspection found serious hygiene issues.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
That’s where I went wrong. I should have been an advisor. I’m sure I could find mustard cords, a schoffell warmer and a pair of Le Chamau wellies in one of the charity shops around Knutsford! That way I’d have plenty of time too go shooting and fishing!
First year I was on a harvest for Velcourt, the manager on the farm was not the most effective or on the ball, he subsequently left, not sure if it was his or their decision! I think the same had happened with his previous career in merchant banking, anyway, I heard that he found his forte as a land agent and got on very well at it!
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
It would take approx 6 months for vegans/animal rights extremists to work this out, infiltrate trading standards and weaponize the licencing process.

You'd see farms shut down left right and centre over nothing.
like the dairy farm in Carms on Panorama with the withdrawal of the Red Tractor assurance scheme. I am not discussing the rights or wrongs of that case (or the fact that two employees, one filmed the things the other did), but I think that gives us an example of what could happen easily.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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