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Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
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Cheshire
First year I was on a harvest for Velcourt, the manager on the farm was not the most effective or on the ball, he subsequently left, not sure if it was his or their decision! I think the same had happened with his previous career in merchant banking, anyway, I heard that he found his forte as a land agent and got on very well at it!
That fits my view of quite a lot of land agents… 😂😂
 
The rental value is the value
It has nothing to do with the effort a tenant may or may not put in.
You are saying that someone who works 23 hours a day should pay more rent than someone who does only ten?
Your right the rental value is the rental value, but what ever the rent is, you'll have one quietly getting on with the job and doing well, whilst another is lay in bed squealing about how hard done to he is because his mother's weaned him.
 
So,what figure do you think it should be?
I think you're 15% figure isn't far out, but it depends on who's doing the stocking and the figures, I can't remember the figures from when I used to do similar to you, but I do remember good ground I set stocked at 8 ewes and lambs an acre, reducing depending on the quality of the ground, so that would be roughly 8 ewes plus 14 lambs an acre, at a fat price of £100 x 14 =1400 ÷ 15 = £210 an acre.
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
I think you're 15% figure isn't far out, but it depends on who's doing the stocking and the figures, I can't remember the figures from when I used to do similar to you, but I do remember good ground I set stocked at 8 ewes and lambs an acre, reducing depending on the quality of the ground, so that would be roughly 8 ewes plus 14 lambs an acre, at a fat price of £100 x 14 =1400 ÷ 15 = £210 an acre.
Thats some stocking rate
Landlord must have been clashing on the fert
 
I don't know the ins and outs of RT regards dairies but I would think the situation is that the farmer's contract states that he must be RT assured to sell milk to the processor. If he is suspended from RT due to (hopefully) a legitimate non-compliance, then he no longer fulfils his contractural obligations. He could still sell milk to somewhere that doesn't require RT (very unlikely of course). RT have no statutory powers. Would be different if a Food Standards Agency inspection found serious hygiene issues.
I had some one telling me a couple of months ago, how rt had just turned up in his dad's yard to do a spot inspection, they'd got the foot trimmer in that day doing feet so asked the rt chap nicely if he would come back another day, rt chap was fine, yes no problem, later that day an email arrived suspending their rt status for 30 days, £40,000 of milk down the drain for no reason, I had the food standards agency dairy inspector round the other week, he said he is now reporting rt to his superiors, because he is going on to farms on his routine visits only to find rt have suspended their rt status, but not only that, they haven't given them a reason for doing so and are then refusing to enter into any communications until the period of suspension is over, he said he has seen some farmers wives hysterical because there only form of income has been withdrawn and they don't know why, he also said on inspection the premises have been fine from his point of view.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I think you're 15% figure isn't far out, but it depends on who's doing the stocking and the figures, I can't remember the figures from when I used to do similar to you, but I do remember good ground I set stocked at 8 ewes and lambs an acre, reducing depending on the quality of the ground, so that would be roughly 8 ewes plus 14 lambs an acre, at a fat price of £100 x 14 =1400 ÷ 15 = £210 an acre.
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Wish my farm stood 8 ewes with plus lambs/acre. 4 is the maximum and 3 is more realistic around here. Bit different 4 mile down the road on river land though
 

Al R

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Wales
I think you're 15% figure isn't far out, but it depends on who's doing the stocking and the figures, I can't remember the figures from when I used to do similar to you, but I do remember good ground I set stocked at 8 ewes and lambs an acre, reducing depending on the quality of the ground, so that would be roughly 8 ewes plus 14 lambs an acre, at a fat price of £100 x 14 =1400 ÷ 15 = £210 an acre.
Glad you put 14 lambs and not 16 lambs like most would. I put all lambs at £65 in costings 👌🏼

Good land to cope with that stocking rate for 14 weeks mind! I’ve got 90 twin ewes on 14 acre but it was rested for 14 days before they started the rotation, they arn’t beating that acreage and another 50 single ewes are following them
 
I cant think of any ground in scotland that will finish 14 lambs per acre without fert
Perhaps thats why my rent figs are always lower than yours
It's not really that high a stocking rate though is it, if I remember right 6 ewe's are a livestock unit, which is also equivalent to one cow, most dairy farms run their cows at two or three to the acre early on, gradually dropping down to around a cow to the acre later in the season as aftermath becomes available,no different.
 

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How many of you chap's who either begrudge a land owner a cut of the profits or think you have the right to rent it for circa £30 an acre, would go out and spend £10,000 on an acre of ground and then let it for £30 to some hero who'd just gone and spent £20 on a screw old hill ewe off the side of a mountain to keep on it, who then turns round and bad mouths you because you don't deserve a return on your investment.
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