Share your thoughts on crop rotations

Brid @ ADAS

Member
Grassland Exhibitor
ADAS is conducting a short survey to understand the benefits that OSR brings to a rotation and how factors, such as the loss of the basic farm payment, ELMs, loss of active ingredients and climate change, are likely to affect the most profitable sequence of crops in future rotations. We would be really grateful for your views.

The survey will take less than 15 mins to complete.

As a thank you, participants will get a £5 Amazon voucher and an exclusive invitation to a webinar summarising the survey and discussing what the most profitable rotation will look like in the future. Hopefully this webinar will provide some food-for-thought for your future rotation planning.

To complete the survey, click the link below.

https://adas-survey.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/arable-rotations-survey
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I have gone monocrop continuous spring barley on some really light fields as an experiment. Direct drill every spring. Combine , leave straw chopped, repeat. So far I can’t see a downside. 3 tons per acre. Minimal cost. Next year home saved seed. Getting ready for loss of beet. OSR already gone. Heavy land will probably go continuous winter wheat plough based. Spring beans are no good in heavy land here nor is spring barley. Keep it simple. Don’t pee about with things that are a major headache and with which a loss is almost guaranteed from the outset. Specialise, focus and get it right, play to the soil types strengths.
 

Against_the_grain

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
S.E
I have gone monocrop continuous spring barley on some really light fields as an experiment. Direct drill every spring. Combine , leave straw chopped, repeat. So far I can’t see a downside. 3 tons per acre. Minimal cost. Next year home saved seed. Getting ready for loss of beet. OSR already gone. Heavy land will probably go continuous winter wheat plough based. Spring beans are no good in heavy land here nor is spring barley. Keep it simple. Don’t pee about with things that are a major headache and with which a loss is almost guaranteed from the outset. Specialise, focus and get it right, play to the soil types strengths.
We also are being pushed down the continuous WW path relying on less and less chemicals in an potentially unsustainable loop. Anyway im sure this was all thought through before these decisions were made....
 
ADAS is conducting a short survey to understand the benefits that OSR brings to a rotation and how factors, such as the loss of the basic farm payment, ELMs, loss of active ingredients and climate change, are likely to affect the most profitable sequence of crops in future rotations. We would be really grateful for your views.

The survey will take less than 15 mins to complete.

As a thank you, participants will get a £5 Amazon voucher and an exclusive invitation to a webinar summarising the survey and discussing what the most profitable rotation will look like in the future. Hopefully this webinar will provide some food-for-thought for your future rotation planning.

To complete the survey, click the link below.

https://adas-survey.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/arable-rotations-survey

Why is ADAS carrying out a BASF survey ?
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
We also are being pushed down the continuous WW path relying on less and less chemicals in an potentially unsustainable loop. Anyway im sure this was all thought through before these decisions were made....
I’m fairly free of BG so the Hope is plough behind the combine and bury any seed for continuous winter wheat. Not worried about wheat volunteers. Drill as late as can in autumn. Hope Take All doesn’t become a problem.
Anything on the spring barley stubbles has all winter to chit then spray off and direct drill.
It goes against the grain really but it needs to be simple and a part time job now, not messing about with little parcels of this and that. Logistics and reduced man hours dictates. I have two blocks of 25 ha, one light, one heavy so that screams continuous barley and wheat to me and then some paddocky odds and sods full of poles. Hopefully my brother will want them grassing down again either for horse hay/ and or sheep.
 

silverfox

Member
Location
Shropshire
I have gone monocrop continuous spring barley on some really light fields as an experiment. Direct drill every spring. Combine , leave straw chopped, repeat. So far I can’t see a downside. 3 tons per acre. Minimal cost. Next year home saved seed. Getting ready for loss of beet. OSR already gone. Heavy land will probably go continuous winter wheat plough based. Spring beans are no good in heavy land here nor is spring barley. Keep it simple. Don’t pee about with things that are a major headache and with which a loss is almost guaranteed from the outset. Specialise, focus and get it right, play to the soil types strengths.
Doing well if you can get a regular 3 ton of spring barley without a break or some muck . Thought your land was blow away sand
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
ADAS is conducting a short survey to understand the benefits that OSR brings to a rotation and how factors, such as the loss of the basic farm payment, ELMs, loss of active ingredients and climate change, are likely to affect the most profitable sequence of crops in future rotations. We would be really grateful for your views.

The survey will take less than 15 mins to complete.

As a thank you, participants will get a £5 Amazon voucher and an exclusive invitation to a webinar summarising the survey and discussing what the most profitable rotation will look like in the future. Hopefully this webinar will provide some food-for-thought for your future rotation planning.

To complete the survey, click the link below.

https://adas-survey.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/arable-rotations-survey

How can anybody plan long term crop rotations with regard to ELMS, when nobody knows what the requirements of that scheme will be yet?
 

silverfox

Member
Location
Shropshire
Because they are being paid to would be my guess.
It’s ridiculous . ADAS did research on our 10 yr HLS agreement, so you’d think there’d be plenty of data on what works in schemes ( not just ours), but apparently non of this data was kept, so they are going back to square one on the Elms thing. By the time anything concrete comes out, we will all have lost interest. Maybe that’s the plan
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
It’s ridiculous . ADAS did research on our 10 yr HLS agreement, so you’d think there’d be plenty of data on what works in schemes ( not just ours), but apparently non of this data was kept, so they are going back to square one on the Elms thing. By the time anything concrete comes out, we will all have lost interest. Maybe that’s the plan
From what I gather development of ELMS is basically stalled until results start coming in from the test and trial thing which hasn’t even started yet. I take that to mean that very little will actually happen until late 2022 or possibly even 2023. Chances of ELMS launching in 2024 as anything other than a rehash of Countryside Stewardship seems pretty slim right now, even that might be optimistic🙁
 

silverfox

Member
Location
Shropshire
From what I gather development of ELMS is basically stalled until results start coming in from the test and trial thing which hasn’t even started yet. I take that to mean that very little will actually happen until late 2022 or possibly even 2023. Chances of ELMS launching in 2024 as anything other than a rehash of Countryside Stewardship seems pretty slim right now, even that might be optimistic🙁
That’s my take on it . Was talking to someone who knows a PHd student, just finishing her degree, who was joining one of the agencies to begin doing research for Elms. Think I will be retired before it gets off the ground .
 

zero

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
I have gone monocrop continuous spring barley on some really light fields as an experiment. Direct drill every spring. Combine , leave straw chopped, repeat. So far I can’t see a downside. 3 tons per acre. Minimal cost. Next year home saved seed. Getting ready for loss of beet. OSR already gone. Heavy land will probably go continuous winter wheat plough based. Spring beans are no good in heavy land here nor is spring barley. Keep it simple. Don’t pee about with things that are a major headache and with which a loss is almost guaranteed from the outset. Specialise, focus and get it right, play to the soil types strengths.

I keep wondering about continuous spring barley, then out winter the sucklers on the stubbles and rotate feeding around with a bale unroller..
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Doing well if you can get a regular 3 ton of spring barley without a break or some muck . Thought your land was blow away sand
3 tons is my target and I can achieve it some years. We have had 50% grass in the rotation until this year which helps and FYM from the cattle we had for a few years. I grow the feed variety Westminster which is a real barn filler with masses of straw but sadly I don’t think it’s a variety that’s continuing to be commercially available. So we’ll save our own seed for next year. Stands better than Planet here and can’t seem to get rid of malting barley without a contract so I don’t bother with it.
Opportunistic stubble turnips can work well with it. The sheep clean up, then paraplow and drill in the spring. All that lovely sheep muck just nicely incorporated. Turnip establishment can be hit and miss that late though, but seeds cheap so no great loss if it fails.
 

Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

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Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

Written by Lisa Applin

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In July, we opened the applications window for farmers to join our Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot.

The Sustainable Farming Incentive is 1 of the 3 new environmental land management schemes. It sits alongside the future Local Nature Recovery and Landscape Recovery schemes.

Through the Sustainable Farming Incentive, farmers will be paid for environmentally sustainable actions – ones that are simple to do and do not require previous agri-environment scheme experience.

We are piloting the scheme to...
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