Sheep, Dog Attack

[GAM]

My Son, went to check his sheep and found a ewe which had been attacked by a neighbouring dog! Police and Vets were called, the vet was there within a very short space of time, yet because of a shortish of rural police, they still haven't attended the site!
View attachment Field Sarnoch - sheep attack.pdf

 

[shumungus]

Is there a council dog warden? In our part of the world it is the dog warden who has to be contacted as the police have no powers and don't have a clue. Dog has to be siezed and inspected ASAP to prove its guilt, get on it now, if it does it once it WILL do it again.

 

[Dry Rot]

Get a DNA swab.

 

[GAM]

Is there a council dog warden? In our part of the world it is the dog warden who has to be contacted as the police have no powers and don't have a clue. Dog has to be siezed and inspected ASAP to prove its guilt, get on it now, if it does it once it WILL do it again.

With all the Media about dog attacks, we can't get anyone out! we have repeatedly called the Police, we have contacted the NFU, still know one seems interested... the NFU are going to call us on Monday as the only person who deals with dog attacks is on holiday!

 

[ladycrofter]

Our dispatcher took our details etc when it happened here but it was probably 10 days before the police actually came out. We had plenty of photos though including me with the dog. To their credit they never once questioned us, had us forward photos to them, and only wanted to know if we wanted the owner charged.
How will you prove which dog it was?

 

[Dry Rot]

Our dispatcher took our details etc when it happened here but it was probably 10 days before the police actually came out. We had plenty of photos though including me with the dog. To their credit they never once questioned us, had us forward photos to them, and only wanted to know if we wanted the owner charged.
How will you prove which dog it was?

DNA

And put video and pics on social media. Just be careful not to say anything you can't prove. There is no action against the truth that can be proved. As a wise friend once told me, never put into print anything you wouldn't be happy to have read out in court.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

The Police around here are very good regarding dog worrying . We recently had an attack on cattle reported by 3 people who saw it taking place . Police need evidence to prosecute , just a phone call is not sufficient, in our case there has been some video evidence produced from a lady who filmed it while her friend rang Mr Plod .
As above , hopefully the vet has got DNA , to be fair though the Police should have been in touch by now especially if you have evidence to support the incident.
Contact your local Police and Crime Commissioner and make them aware of the position you are in .
....doubt the NFU will be much help !

 

[MF CI]

Put out some bait, wait till they show up again and shoot them dead. I understand that you are allowed to do that. (the second bit, the first part may be questionable)

 

[oilcan]

Put out some bait, wait till they show up again and shoot them dead. I understand that you are allowed to do that. (the second bit, the first part may be questionable)

Unfortunately the culprit is often long gone.Had ewes on keep a year or so ago that had been worried and at first seemed Ok , but on inspection, two were breathing through the side of their necks.

 

[Danllan]

Put out some bait, wait till they show up again and shoot them dead. I understand that you are allowed to do that. (the second bit, the first part may be questionable)

For anyone in the Anglo-Welsh jurisdiction, the above is entirely wrong.

It will result in prosecution. Baiting a dog with the intention of shooting is a Criminal offence and will also leave one liable to a Civil suit from its owner, if they are so inclined.

The 1953 Act still holds good here; so shooting a dog, other than in two very specific circumstances is also a Criminal offence: the first exception is a dog in the act of worrying livestock if there is no reasonable alternative - an anticipatory shot or one done after, when the dog presents no further threat to the stock, is illegal. The second exception is in self-defence of oneself or of another, if there is no reasonable alternative.

So... if you have to shoot a dog because it is attacking you or obviously about to, you may lawfully shoot it. Note that necessity is an absolute defence at law.

In addition to a variety of possible firearms offences, there is a fair chance of charges regarding animal cruelty being an issue if a shot does not kill outright.

Allowing a dog to worry livestock, deliberately or via negligence, is a Criminal offence. This will remain the case regardless of any offence committed by a farmer in claimed defence of his stock. Nobody should underestimate the seriousness of being convicted of any firearms offence.

 

[MF CI]

For anyone in the Anglo-Welsh jurisdiction, the above is entirely wrong.

It will result in prosecution. Baiting a dog with the intention of shooting is a Criminal offence and will also leave one liable to a Civil suit from its owner, if they are so inclined.

The 1953 Act still holds good here; so shooting a dog, other than in two very specific circumstances is also a Criminal offence: the first exception is a dog in the act of worrying livestock if there is no reasonable alternative - an anticipatory shot or one done after, when the dog presents no further threat to the stock, is illegal. The second exception is in self-defence of oneself or of another, if there is no reasonable alternative.

So... if you have to shoot a dog because it is attacking you or obviously about to, you may lawfully shoot it. Note that necessity is an absolute defence at law.

In addition to a variety of possible firearms offences, there is a fair chance of charges regarding animal cruelty being an issue if a shot does not kill outright.

Allowing a dog to worry livestock, deliberately or via negligence, is a Criminal offence. This will remain the case regardless of any offence committed by a farmer in claimed defence of his stock. Nobody should underestimate the seriousness of being convicted of any firearms offence.

The complexity of the English language, according to the op it was a neighbouring dog responsible for the attack. Which whilst the dog is still around leaves two options, move the sheep away to a safe area or leave some or all the sheep where they are and be prepared for when the dog attacks again.

 

[Danllan]

The complexity of the English language, according to the op it was a neighbouring dog responsible for the attack. Which whilst the dog is still around leaves two options, move the sheep away to a safe area or leave some or all the sheep where they are and be prepared for when the dog attacks again.

No complexity; what you have written here is fine, what you wrote earlier was not.

 

[Dry Rot]

Livestock worrying - Police Scotland

Information including the definition of Livestock worrying, what we are doing about it, what the law says and what you can do to help.

www.scotland.police.uk

Maximum of £40,000 fine and/or 6 months imprisonment in Scotland. I am no great fan of Police Scotland nor the SNP but the law does make dog owners stop and think.

When I came here over 40 years ago, I visited each of my neighbours and said if there was a case of one of my dogs attacking livestock, they could come to me and I'd lend them a gun. So far, so good.

 

[GEMS]

For anyone in the Anglo-Welsh jurisdiction, the above is entirely wrong.

It will result in prosecution. Baiting a dog with the intention of shooting is a Criminal offence and will also leave one liable to a Civil suit from its owner, if they are so inclined.

The 1953 Act still holds good here; so shooting a dog, other than in two very specific circumstances is also a Criminal offence: the first exception is a dog in the act of worrying livestock if there is no reasonable alternative - an anticipatory shot or one done after, when the dog presents no further threat to the stock, is illegal. The second exception is in self-defence of oneself or of another, if there is no reasonable alternative.

So... if you have to shoot a dog because it is attacking you or obviously about to, you may lawfully shoot it. Note that necessity is an absolute defence at law.

In addition to a variety of possible firearms offences, there is a fair chance of charges regarding animal cruelty being an issue if a shot does not kill outright.

Allowing a dog to worry livestock, deliberately or via negligence, is a Criminal offence. This will remain the case regardless of any offence committed by a farmer in claimed defence of his stock. Nobody should underestimate the seriousness of being convicted of any firearms offence.

Hmm .shoot dog , bury it .
Gun shot no -but did hear a firework ........

 

[GAM]

Get a DNA swab.

The Ewe was swabbed for DNA, yet unless the owner admits it was his dog the Police could take no action! Another neighbour told us the dog has an electric shock collar on it! this too is supposedly illegal in Wales, again discretionary of the visiting officer...

 

[devonbeef]

so if you are in the field with a gun and dog attacks the sheep you can legally shoot the dog, i believe that is right? if it was me i would pay somebody to do the work for a farm day and set up a hide and man it for 24 horurs and shoot the dog, end of

 

[Dry Rot]

The Ewe was swabbed for DNA, yet unless the owner admits it was his dog the Police could take no action! Another neighbour told us the dog has an electric shock collar on it! this too is supposedly illegal in Wales, again discretionary of the visiting officer...

Chief constable, Dog warden, Police complaints, social media, local newspaper, MP.... Just make sure you have the proof. If it was a homicide, they'd act quick enough.

Nothing will be done by civil servants until they realise it is more trouble to do nothing.

 

[shumungus]

Had an incident where two rottweilers were attacking my sheep on an outfarm (killed 6) shot both in the act (son took video of them attacking sheep and of me shooting them). Lifted both dogs and dead sheep took them back to the yard and locked dog remains in a shed. We then phoned police to report it said they didn't want to know it was the dog wardens jurisdiction. Phoned Dog warden, he said he would be out next morning (Sunday). Whilst back tending to the rest of the sheep received a call from the wife to say that the Police were in the yard looking for me so went back to yard. Was confronted by two idiots who wanted to arrest me as the owner of the dogs had reported me for shooting and stealing her dogs and demanded that I surrender the dogs immediately as they were stolen property. Told them to feck off as the dogs were evidence in a crime and I wasn't giving them to anyone other than the dog warden. They then made numerous calls to their sergeant and it was only when they got in contact with the Dog Warden that they left an hour and a half later.
Plod didn't want to come out when I reported livestock being killed by dangerous dogs roaming free or when I had discharged a firearm to kill said dogs but done a blue light entrance when its reported some big bad farmer had kidnapped some hysterical women's pet pooches. Absolutely clueless and feckless that they arrive into someone's premises accuse them of a crime and don't even know the law.