Sheep movement inspection

Muddyroads

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NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
Hi folks, first time posting on here, so go gently on me!
We had an inspection in August. All went well, until he compared our last 25 movements to the information he had from ARAMS. We only sell at the local market and direct to a local abattoir. He found that on 2 occasions, his information said that we had sent double the number of lambs to the abattoir than our records showed. I should say at this point that my wife is an IT manager for a local authority, so we had invested in the Shearwell stock recorder, recording system etc. when we took the farm on in 2016.
She also keeps all the paper movement sheets meticulously, so it was easy to demonstrate that our records were accurate. The inspector accepted this, but said that we may still get a BPS penalty, in which case we should appeal.
A couple of weeks later the RPA wrote saying that we'd failed the inspection and could expect a penalty, but could appeal, which my wife immediately did.
We heard nothing until yesterday, when an email told us that due to a medium level cross compliance fail, we would be getting a 5% BPS penalty.
On checking the information held about us by ARAMS, every movement to the abattoir (which we supply most weeks) was double the actual number, apart from 2, which were trippled. We have again appealed, this time telling them that their records continue to be wrong. A very helpful lady at Shearwell told us today that she is aware of a number of farms being penalised due to ARAMS information being incorrect, but the RPA's attitude is that they're always right, hence the need for us to prove our innocence.
2 reasons for posting this: firstly to suggest that anyone who supplies an abattoir directly checks that the information kept by ARAMS is correct, rather than finding out the hard way. Secondly, to ask if anyone else has experienced something similar, and how you dealt with it?
 

Jim75

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Easter ross
Have just a had a Sheep inspection but I'm in Scotland and according to
Samu we had a load go off farm on a certain date when nothing did (numbers all match everywhere else).Bit of a cock up by the mart I'm assuming or somewhere down the line. Inspector said we'd be fine and she'd scrub it/speak to samu.
 

exmoor dave

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Location
exmoor, uk
Hi folks, first time posting on here, so go gently on me!
We had an inspection in August. All went well, until he compared our last 25 movements to the information he had from ARAMS. We only sell at the local market and direct to a local abattoir. He found that on 2 occasions, his information said that we had sent double the number of lambs to the abattoir than our records showed. I should say at this point that my wife is an IT manager for a local authority, so we had invested in the Shearwell stock recorder, recording system etc. when we took the farm on in 2016.
She also keeps all the paper movement sheets meticulously, so it was easy to demonstrate that our records were accurate. The inspector accepted this, but said that we may still get a BPS penalty, in which case we should appeal.
A couple of weeks later the RPA wrote saying that we'd failed the inspection and could expect a penalty, but could appeal, which my wife immediately did.
We heard nothing until yesterday, when an email told us that due to a medium level cross compliance fail, we would be getting a 5% BPS penalty.
On checking the information held about us by ARAMS, every movement to the abattoir (which we supply most weeks) was double the actual number, apart from 2, which were trippled. We have again appealed, this time telling them that their records continue to be wrong. A very helpful lady at Shearwell told us today that she is aware of a number of farms being penalised due to ARAMS information being incorrect, but the RPA's attitude is that they're always right, hence the need for us to prove our innocence.
2 reasons for posting this: firstly to suggest that anyone who supplies an abattoir directly checks that the information kept by ARAMS is correct, rather than finding out the hard way. Secondly, to ask if anyone else has experienced something similar, and how you dealt with it?


We had a sheep inspection in the autumn, basically out of the last 25 moves, most were wrong (wrong dates, wrong numbers or no moves on ARAMS when I did), all the wrong moves had been inputted by a market.

All my records on Farmworks backed this up, so did our movement licences, so we passed, the inspector did make a point of saying he would argue the case that our records were correct and data put on ARAMS by a 3rd party wasn't our fault.

Letter from RPA to say full pass.....phew!


So lesson for us was always make sure every tag is read and recorded in our records.
 

icanshootwell

Member
Location
Ross-on-wye
We had a sheep inspection in the autumn, basically out of the last 25 moves, most were wrong (wrong dates, wrong numbers or no moves on ARAMS when I did), all the wrong moves had been inputted by a market.

All my records on Farmworks backed this up, so did our movement licences, so we passed, the inspector did make a point of saying he would argue the case that our records were correct and data put on ARAMS by a 3rd party wasn't our fault.

Letter from RPA to say full pass.....phew!


So lesson for us was always make sure every tag is read and recorded in our records.
Which is ok if you got a tag reader, i hav,nt got one, i rely on the market scanning them, i then use that for my records, I bye in a lot of store lambs, so a lot of different tags, i would not like to manually read them as i sold them. Not got the time for that nor will.
 

exmoor dave

Member
Location
exmoor, uk
Which is ok if you got a tag reader, i hav,nt got one, i rely on the market scanning them, i then use that for my records, I bye in a lot of store lambs, so a lot of different tags, i would not like to manually read them as i sold them. Not got the time for that nor will.


In my experience I wouldn't rely on anyone else to collect the data to keep your records correct.
If it keeps your sub safe, a basic reader is a good investment
 
Location
Devon
Hi folks, first time posting on here, so go gently on me!
We had an inspection in August. All went well, until he compared our last 25 movements to the information he had from ARAMS. We only sell at the local market and direct to a local abattoir. He found that on 2 occasions, his information said that we had sent double the number of lambs to the abattoir than our records showed. I should say at this point that my wife is an IT manager for a local authority, so we had invested in the Shearwell stock recorder, recording system etc. when we took the farm on in 2016.
She also keeps all the paper movement sheets meticulously, so it was easy to demonstrate that our records were accurate. The inspector accepted this, but said that we may still get a BPS penalty, in which case we should appeal.
A couple of weeks later the RPA wrote saying that we'd failed the inspection and could expect a penalty, but could appeal, which my wife immediately did.
We heard nothing until yesterday, when an email told us that due to a medium level cross compliance fail, we would be getting a 5% BPS penalty.
On checking the information held about us by ARAMS, every movement to the abattoir (which we supply most weeks) was double the actual number, apart from 2, which were trippled. We have again appealed, this time telling them that their records continue to be wrong. A very helpful lady at Shearwell told us today that she is aware of a number of farms being penalised due to ARAMS information being incorrect, but the RPA's attitude is that they're always right, hence the need for us to prove our innocence.
2 reasons for posting this: firstly to suggest that anyone who supplies an abattoir directly checks that the information kept by ARAMS is correct, rather than finding out the hard way. Secondly, to ask if anyone else has experienced something similar, and how you dealt with it?

In the blurb that they send out now and again im sure it said somewhere that the farmer is responsible to ensure that all the records held by ARAMS is correct and if its not the farmer will be deemed to be at fault and may suffer penalties being applied to their BPS payment.
 

cattleman123

Member
Location
devon
Arams have a bug in the system at the moment...its connected to the haulage bit on the movement...guy said just click on the end box and all will be well..hopeless
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
In the blurb that they send out now and again im sure it said somewhere that the farmer is responsible to ensure that all the records held by ARAMS is correct and if its not the farmer will be deemed to be at fault and may suffer penalties being applied to their BPS payment.
I thought it was them who were supposed to be checking us! Even if this is legitimate, we pointed out their error at the inspection in August, again when we appealed in September, and here we are at the end of December and they are still making the same mistakes. Mistakes which look like costing us about £1000.
 

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