Sheep Tags

Colin Patterson

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Mixed Farmer
Hello, i bought in ewe lambs last year with the intention to keep as breeding ewes. Unfortunately I cannot breed them this year so now I am looking to sell them as gimmers at a breeding sale. I tagged with double yellow EID tags but now I am being told these tags must be red as the sheep were not born on my holding. Please help.
 

Estate fencing.

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Livestock Farmer
Hello, i bought in ewe lambs last year with the intention to keep as breeding ewes. Unfortunately I cannot breed them this year so now I am looking to sell them as gimmers at a breeding sale. I tagged with double yellow EID tags but now I am being told these tags must be red as the sheep were not born on my holding. Please help.
Where are you? I’m England they have to have one yellow (Eid) and one coloured (visual). I believe in Scotland they can have 2 what ever colour (could be yellow) but one of them and only one is Eid. You don’t have to put red tags in unless they have lost there tags from birth holding (different to your own holding) or are up grading from a single slaughter Eid up to a full breeding pair (like first mentioned).
 

Colin Patterson

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Mixed Farmer
Where are you? I’m England they have to have one yellow (Eid) and one coloured (visual). I believe in Scotland they can have 2 what ever colour (could be yellow) but one of them and only one is Eid. You don’t have to put red tags in unless they have lost there tags from birth holding (different to your own holding) or are up grading from a single slaughter Eid up to a full breeding pair (like first mentioned).
I am based in south Scotland. I bought them at a store sale. So when purchased they had one yellow slaughter tag from birth holding. With my intention to keep them for breeding I replaced the slaughter tags with one yellow EID and one yellow visual with my own flock number on.
 

Estate fencing.

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Livestock Farmer
I am based in south Scotland. I bought them at a store sale. So when purchased they had one yellow slaughter tag from birth holding. With my intention to keep them for breeding I replaced the slaughter tags with one yellow EID and one yellow visual with my own flock number on.
They should technically have had red put in them when you upgraded them.
 

Moors Lad

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Location
N Yorks
They should technically have had red put in them when you upgraded them.
I concur with the esteemed gentleman above they should have double red tags and be recorded as being changed.
I`m not saying either of you are wrong, but, I expect you are both from England - are you absolutely certain that this is the case in Scotland ? ( pretty certain you are right with how things are south of the border by the way!)
The OP states he put in "one yellow visual and one yellow EID" - in England as far as I`m aware you CAN`T get a yellow visual... that`s why I`m just checking you guys really know the rules for Scotland...

I tagged with double yellow EID tags but now I am being told these tags must be red as the sheep were not born on my holding. Please help.
Sorry to ask but for clarity WHO "told" you? An official source or .......someone who may be wrong?
 

Fendt516profi

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
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Macsky

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
They should technically have had red put in them when you upgraded them.
I dont think this is true. I have done the same thing, bought ewe lambs at a store sale with a slaughter tag in them, and sought advice on exactly which breeding tags I needed to use, specifically asking if they needed to be red as they weren’t born on my holding, but I was told in this case that red tags weren’t necessary, that if you were upgrading from a slaughter tag you can just put in your own standard double tags, of whatever colour you please.

So I’d say you’re absolutely fine to leave your own tags in, and at the end of it, who would actually notice?
 

Fendt516profi

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
I dont think this is true. I have done the same thing, bought ewe lambs at a store sale with a slaughter tag in them, and sought advice on exactly which breeding tags I needed to use, specifically asking if they needed to be red as they weren’t born on my holding, but I was told in this case that red tags weren’t necessary, that if you were upgrading from a slaughter tag you can just put in your own standard double tags, of whatever colour you please.

So I’d say you’re absolutely fine to leave your own tags in, and at the end of it, who would actually notice?
I think red is for bought in sheep that have lost all means of identifying their individual number. If a home bred sheep loses it's tags you can just apply another set as it's on holding of birth
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Hello, i bought in ewe lambs last year with the intention to keep as breeding ewes. Unfortunately I cannot breed them this year so now I am looking to sell them as gimmers at a breeding sale. I tagged with double yellow EID tags but now I am being told these tags must be red as the sheep were not born on my holding. Please help.
that will be fine. leave them as they are now.

the most important part and the whole point of eartagging. /movement records is for (unbroken) tracability.

as long the movements are all recorded of course, ie you will have the orginal holding the lamb came from ame and you simply record the fact that those lambs have had tags chainged and each can have a cross reference of the old tag number /holding put against them in your records. easily done nowadays with eid...
 

AftonShepherd

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Ayrshire
I'm almost certain that a few parts of that have changed, but not 100% sure - I'll check later when I'm in the office.
I was going to point you in the direction of the inside cover of your SAMU movement licence book, but replacing a purchased slaughter tag with a pair of breeder tags is just about the only scenario not covered.

As others have said I'd think you're safe enough to stick with what you've already done.
 

AftonShepherd

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Ayrshire
It's all bollox. As long as they've got tags of any sort they will go through the market no problem. No one ever looks at them anyway
I had a SGRPID inspector that traced back at least a selection of tags out of the sample he'd read. I'm pretty sure he'd have found an anomaly if there'd been one there ☹️. I'm bound to have some I've not recorded properly but must have gotten lucky that day.
 

hoyboy

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When you get an inspection they'll want to read 60 tags or 10% of the flock, whichever is more. Just make sure that those 100 ewes in the in by field that are easy to take in, those are the ones that all have tags and no bought in ones amongst them to complicate things
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I had a SGRPID inspector that traced back at least a selection of tags out of the sample he'd read. I'm pretty sure he'd have found an anomaly if there'd been one there ☹️. I'm bound to have some I've not recorded properly but must have gotten lucky that day.
Yes, of the 60 tags they read last time I had to find the incoming record of 10 of them in the tag lists. Took ages but it used up plenty of time and got them closer to “right we need to be going” 😆
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
As long as they’re tagged with a breeder pair of EID tags and the upgrade recorded in your flock record the job should be fine 👍

Only in southern England where the officials haven’t a clue about the rules regarding sheep tags north of the wall is there ever an issue
 

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