Should our waters be for our fishermen

[le bon paysan]

Yes Newlyn - couldn't remember the place. I did not see all of the last programme, so must remember to watch it this weekend. I found it interesting. I noted they were employing Eastern Europeans - Latvians if I recall. No or few locals wanted the job. Which dangerous seemed reasonably well paid as on one of the programmes the skipper was divvying up with the crew and hand got getting on for £1000 for five albeit hard and potentially dangerous days a sea. Maybe not so good all the time. Cheers.

My skipper pal reckoned there were times they came back and owed the boat money! I said how come and this was his explanation.
The expenses come off the total, that's fuel , gear, repairs, food for the crew etc.
Then the boat takes half, of whats left of the value of the catch sold. That's the owner.
He got 2 parts as skipper
The experienced lads got 1 full part the guy who worked and cooked got a part and a half and the laddie got a half.
Times when they caught bugger all and went back for supplies, they owed the boat money!

 

[Hindsight]

My skipper pal reckoned there were times they came back and owed the boat money! I said how come and this was his explanation.
The expenses come off the total, that's fuel , gear, repairs, food for the crew etc.
Then the boat takes half, of whats left of the value of the catch sold. That's the owner.
He got 2 parts as skipper
The experienced lads got 1 full part the guy who worked and cooked got a part and a half and the laddie got a half.
Times when they caught bugger all and went back for supplies, they owed the boat money!

Yes, I assumed this would be the case - with some money left accrued for future trips. Fascinating.

 

[le bon paysan]

Yes, I assumed this would be the case - with some money left accrued for future trips. Fascinating.

He also said its like prison with the chance of drowning.

 

[Henarar]

Going to compensate the Spanish fella who bough the qouta?

No
Was anyone that had bought milk quota compensated when it went

 

[Hindsight]

He also said its like prison with the chance of drowning.

Looked bloody hard work and very dangerous to me!

 

[Hindsight]

No
Was anyone that had bought milk quota compensated when it went

No true. But you could still milk your cows and access your grass fields. May have been made bankrupt if qouta was purchased and not paid for. As you say though any compo I assume will be part of the negotiations. All going to be fun to watch.

 

[Mek]

If you bought a farm on a 100 year lease and invested in equipment and buildings and then after a few years you were told that the owner had changed his mind and wanted the farm back again you would possibly be a bit miffed. Same with the fishing. The quotas were sold,the people who bought them presumably then made a long term investment in boats and equipment and possibly processing plants so if the fishing rights are taken back they should have massive compensation.

 

[7610 super q]

I don't know much about trawling. I do know Milford Haven was packed with UK trawlers in the 1950's/ 60's. Even my grandfather had one. Jump forward to the late 80's, and there's one lone trawler, the Spanish owned Brisca. Funded 50% by the EU I notice.( was this funding available to UK fishermen ?)
Quotas. Hmmmm. Mass market manipulation then, just like agriculture. I can't understand why some on this thread think quotas are good. Same with immigration. It seems perfectly acceptable to some to employ Polish slaves to do the sh!te jobs folk in this country don't want to do?‍. I simply can't understand the hatred on here for all things British.?‍
The demise of UK fishing fits neatly within our term under the EU regime. Coincidence, or not ?

 

[Danllan]

Hi - reckon you might know! Was the qouta sold to fishermen in other EU countries. And if so with your lawyer hat on is there any rights of ownership or any courtesy to compensate them? Cheers.

See below...

By the way what happens if there is no upsurge in UK fishing boats as no Briton wants the job or business risk? I presume you would then licence non UK boats on an ongoing basis? Demand catches are landed in UK? I am just interested how Leavers see the fishing market develop. Just seems to me odd to possibly sacrifice financial services jobs for these fishing communities - but I am not that bright and up on these things. Cheers.

Not sure where 'courtesy' comes into the law... as far as I know there is no need for compensation on the basis of the UK leaving the EU and regaining its fishing rights, happy to be corrected.

There won't be enough British boats at first, hence my earlier post. If that persists in the long-term, either licencing to allow catches abroad or here in the UK is fine by me provided that the UK sees a sensible market-level return and maintains control of its fisheries.

(It's that last bit, control, that I think the EU really objects to; it wouldn't mind paying a silly amount for the fishing, provided it gets control)

Yes OK, but who's going to crew these boats.? My skipper pal reckons the reason that the crew were all foreign was that they couldn't get UK lads to come and do the job. Same as picking veg.

Ideally UK people, if we can't get the numbers needed the new immigration system allows for dispensations.

He also said its like prison with the chance of drowning.

Yep, I've been on a big RN boats (I know they call them ships, but they float and we go in them) on rough seas and, despite not getting seasick, I wouldn't voluntarily go out like that again and certainly not in something small.

That written, I like(d) climbing and caving and many regard that as barking.

 

[caveman]

No
Was anyone that had bought milk quota compensated when it went

I never got any compo for the 50 odd suckler cow units I worked my arse off to buy.

 

[czechmate]

See below...


Not sure where 'courtesy' comes into the law... as far as I know there is no need for compensation on the basis of the UK leaving the EU and regaining its fishing rights, happy to be corrected.

There won't be enough British boats at first, hence my earlier post. If that persists in the long-term, either licencing to allow catches abroad or here in the UK is fine by me provided that the UK sees a sensible market-level return and maintains control of its fisheries.

(It's that last bit, control, that I think the EU really objects to; it wouldn't mind paying a silly amount for the fishing, provided it gets control)


Ideally UK people, if we can't get the numbers needed the new immigration system allows for dispensations.


Yep, I've been on a big RN boats (I know they call them ships, but they float and we go in them) on rough seas and, despite not getting seasick, I wouldn't voluntarily go out like that again and certainly not in something small.

That written, I like(d) climbing and caving and many regard that as barking.

Remind me please, in the future, to NEVER, EVER do any trade with you

 

[Hindsight]

See below...


Not sure where 'courtesy' comes into the law... as far as I know there is no need for compensation on the basis of the UK leaving the EU and regaining its fishing rights, happy to be corrected.

There won't be enough British boats at first, hence my earlier post. If that persists in the long-term, either licencing to allow catches abroad or here in the UK is fine by me provided that the UK sees a sensible market-level return and maintains control of its fisheries.

(It's that last bit, control, that I think the EU really objects to; it wouldn't mind paying a silly amount for the fishing, provided it gets control)


Ideally UK people, if we can't get the numbers needed the new immigration system allows for dispensations.


Yep, I've been on a big RN boats (I know they call them ships, but they float and we go in them) on rough seas and, despite not getting seasick, I wouldn't voluntarily go out like that again and certainly not in something small.

That written, I like(d) climbing and caving and many regard that as barking.

Thank you for comprehensive reply. All noted. Cheers.

 

[robs1]

Isnt this a symptom of a lot that's wrong with the UK, too many want a nice cosy office job that in many cases aren't productive, kids have been taught that hard physical work is beneath them, this has to change and if God forbid this new virus gets our of control there is going to some real shocks for a lot of these people

 

[Hindsight]

Isnt this a symptom of a lot that's wrong with the UK, too many want a nice cosy office job that in many cases aren't productive, kids have been taught that hard physical work is beneath them, this has to change and if God forbid this new virus gets our of control there is going to some real shocks for a lot of these people

I appreciate what you say.

But having watched the Newlyn fishing programme on BBC it confirmed my previous thoughts. And maybe those youngsters prefer a cosy job wishing to retain their fingers, limbs and possibly life! Looked a nice job that one day of the year when the sun shines and the sea is flat calm!

As ever it is economics - so I suppose if wages for cosy jobs were suppressed or dirty jobs increased there would be a shift in perception for younger folk.

The Black Death in early 14C led to high inflation, a switch in power from the ruling class to the serfs and peasants, and possibly was precursor in Medieval Europe to the ending of Catholicism dominance. Never know!

 

[wanton dwarf]

I appreciate what you say.

But having watched the Newlyn fishing programme on BBC it confirmed my previous thoughts. And maybe those youngsters prefer a cosy job wishing to retain their fingers, limbs and possibly life! Looked a nice job that one day of the year when the sun shines and the sea is flat calm!

As ever it is economics - so I suppose if wages for cosy jobs were suppressed or dirty jobs increased there would be a shift in perception for younger folk.

The Black Death in early 14C led to high inflation, a switch in power from the ruling class to the serfs and peasants, and possibly was precursor in Medieval Europe to the ending of Catholicism dominance. Never know!

You obviously don't know anything about what people want or do not want because you weren't there.

But it suites your agenda to have a go - highlighted by your "Maybe" comment.

I bet young UK nationals weren't even given a chance as they aren't in a lot of sectors now .. closed Union created by East Europeans.

 

[Danllan]

Remind me please, in the future, to NEVER, EVER do any trade with you

The EEC assured the British people there would be no surrender of sovereignty upon joining. I guess, by your standards, we're due nigh on fifty year's worth of reparations.

As for your reminder, I wouldn't buy French beef, but am happy to sell mine to anyone.

 

[Hindsight]

You obviously don't know anything about what people want or do not want because you weren't there.

But it suites your agenda to have a go - highlighted by your "Maybe" comment.

I bet young UK nationals weren't even given a chance as they aren't in a lot of sectors now .. closed Union created by East Europeans.

You are correct I do not know if there is a closed shop in Newlyn with EU nationals closing it off to local youngsters. No doubt time will tell. But there was no impression in the programme that was the case - I would have to watch again but seem to recall the skippers saying few locals were interested and they were thankful for Latvians.

My agenda -- and maybe. Well seems to me all who post in this section have an 'agenda'. Thats the attraction down here in the Brexit bowels. But smelly and who can be the biggest pub bore - me very much included as we trade blows like bare fisted street brawlers of yesteryear.

As to youngsters I do have two at home. Neither seem to me keen to go to sea on a trawler, drive a tractor or milk a cow. Cosy office jobs is what they seem to want - and for one of them is what he does. But I have told them that in the brave new world post EU they will be sent to the Gulag (strawberry fields) by the diehard leavers given half a chance -- to show them what proper work is like. And that will be there just retribution for failing to get enough of their mates to vote Remain in June 2016.

Anyway, good to hear from you and that you are safe and sound. Keep a watch out for those East Europeans.

Best wishes,

 

[Hindsight]

You obviously don't know anything about what people want or do not want because you weren't there.

But it suites your agenda to have a go - highlighted by your "Maybe" comment.

I bet young UK nationals weren't even given a chance as they aren't in a lot of sectors now .. closed Union created by East Europeans.

And by the way. I thought the word 'maybe' reasonably innocuous but in light of your comment demonstrates how language can be interpreted so differently by individuals. A lingering 'maybe' says it all.

 

[czechmate]

The EEC assured the British people there would be no surrender of sovereignty upon joining. I guess, by your standards, we're due nigh on fifty year's worth of reparations.

As for your reminder, I wouldn't buy French beef, but am happy to sell mine to anyone.

Hmm, I was more thinking about your tourism business.
For eg, I am looking at two weeks in Wales ahead of and during rally GB. Now, it seems to me, that your morals think it acceptable that1 week through my stay, you appear one morning and say “the wife and I had a vote last night and decided that what with it being our house and all, we want the use of it back so you have to leave”. Despite me having paid in full for the full term.
I don’t think any of our quality limousine goes to the uk. I believe the price and quality is for the rather more discerning . Bulls, predominantly to Italy, so of course this virus thing is something of a concern.

 

[czechmate]

You are correct I do not know if there is a closed shop in Newlyn with EU nationals closing it off to local youngsters. No doubt time will tell. But there was no impression in the programme that was the case - I would have to watch again but seem to recall the skippers saying few locals were interested and they were thankful for Latvians.

My agenda -- and maybe. Well seems to me all who post in this section have an 'agenda'. Thats the attraction down here in the Brexit bowels. But smelly and who can be the biggest pub bore - me very much included as we trade blows like bare fisted street brawlers of yesteryear.

As to youngsters I do have two at home. Neither seem to me keen to go to sea on a trawler, drive a tractor or milk a cow. Cosy office jobs is what they seem to want - and for one of them is what he does. But I have told them that in the brave new world post EU they will be sent to the Gulag (strawberry fields) by the diehard leavers given half a chance -- to show them what proper work is like. And that will be there just retribution for failing to get enough of their mates to vote Remain in June 2016.

Anyway, good to hear from you and that you are safe and sound. Keep a watch out for those East Europeans.

Best wishes,

For a bit of balance here.
I gave up with Brit lads during the 90’s with my veg job. I saw out my last days of growing veg with Czech’s which was a pleasure. When I made this comparison to Mrs. Cz., she pointed out that I wasn’t comparing like with like and said there are plenty of useless, lazy cz lads - they of course are not the ones that get off their arse to travel abroad to find work. Likewise my son (pure bred English) was a perfect example of a worker for his employer in Australia.