Should schools and uni's go back , Not a POLL now

Should schools close again ?

  • yes

    Votes: 50 54.3%
  • no

    Votes: 42 45.7%

  • Total voters
    92

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Nope the government announce this now (today) and organise an overseen teacher assessment. There has been far too much disruption already with more to come to have even education and chances for all students entering public exams. But these stubborn, stupid Tories just obsseesed with how tough they look ot the blue rinse brigade will not. Hey ho. Williamson will be made to look an even bigger fool come May.

Anyway I have daughter with finals this year been busy since 12 doing a essay - just fed her. She has nt yet heard from Bath Uni what to do. But Bath Uni keep on taking the cash and her landlord hasn't yet refused my direct debit for the rent.
I don’t think students going back is a problem. They live in semi closed communities. They stay there for a term usually.
But school pupils toing and froing on a daily basis is just asking for it. I’d keep schools closed for January and review. In any case whatever they might say now I think events will overtake them. We ain’t seen nothing yet if trajectory of the present curves continue. And yes not big numbers of deaths in lower age groups but severe distress for older and vulnerable on an unacceptable scale with knock on effect on other essential health services. I’m not optimistic for january.
 

MRT

Member
Livestock Farmer
How are we going to compensate for a year of disrupted education? Longer days, longer term times, teach Saturdays, redo the whole year, nothing. It would be amazing if children reached the same standards on average as a normal year, almost worrying infact.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
The longer this goes on the less compliance you will get from the general public.

Esp when no end of high ranking MPs/ the PM/ people like Cummins etc break the rules left right and centre and get away with it and the Gov spout lies and U turns on an almost daily basis to boot!

Even with a vaccine they wont say when or if they will let normal life resume so its hardly surprising that people have had enough and just want to get on with life!

The UK was put into lockdown 280 days ago and things are a bigger mess today than all those months ago!
Were your 'theories' and solutions put to the test, what would you say to the families of those who died because of them? Don't attempt a 'smart' answer by claiming that there would be none, there would be many and we all know it.

So, what would you say, and how many lives are your beliefs worth?
 
Location
Devon
I don’t think students going back is a problem. They live in semi closed communities. They stay there for a term usually.
But school pupils toing and froing on a daily basis is just asking for it. I’d keep schools closed for January and review. In any case whatever they might say now I think events will overtake them. We ain’t seen nothing yet if trajectory of the present curves continue. And yes not big numbers of deaths in lower age groups but severe distress for older and vulnerable on an unacceptable scale with knock on effect on other essential health services. I’m not optimistic for january.

Unis are a massive problem because infections goes thru the students like wildfire and that then increases the number of positive tests which the Gov then use to bring in even more severe rules/ lockdowns.

All schools/ Unis should be shut untill untill after Easter.

And yes it will not be good for the ones due to take exams next summer but lets be frank: if they do another lockdown for many months these kids will have no jobs to go to anyway when they leave education as there will be no economy left!
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
I don’t think students going back is a problem. They live in semi closed communities. They stay there for a term usually.
But school pupils toing and froing on a daily basis is just asking for it. I’d keep schools closed for January and review. In any case whatever they might say now I think events will overtake them. We ain’t seen nothing yet if trajectory of the present curves continue. And yes not big numbers of deaths in lower age groups but severe distress for older and vulnerable on an unacceptable scale with knock on effect on other essential health services. I’m not optimistic for january.

Yep, I would let students return. They live in reasonably self contained demographic bubbles. But schools. Well we debated this on here last summer when I replied to one of your posts about your wife and her retirement and I said government would sacrifice a few teachers as collateral damage. Think they are now going to sacrifice a few grannies and vulnerable parents.
 
Location
Devon
Were your 'theories' and solutions put to the test, what would you say to the families of those who died because of them? Don't attempt a 'smart' answer by claiming that there would be none, there would be many and we all know it.

So, what would you say, and how many lives are your beliefs worth?

People die everyday ( about 1600 in fact in the UK )

Deaths from untreated cancer/ heart problems/suicides etc are going thru the roof?? yet these deaths to people like you dont matter!

And as for flu deaths, there is practically none this winter.... strange that!!!!
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
The longer this goes on the less compliance you will get from the general public.

Esp when no end of high ranking MPs/ the PM/ people like Cummins etc break the rules left right and centre and get away with it and the Gov spout lies and U turns on an almost daily basis to boot!

Even with a vaccine they wont say when or if they will let normal life resume so its hardly surprising that people have had enough and just want to get on with life!

The UK was put into lockdown 280 days ago and things are a bigger mess today than all those months ago!
Put bluntly your approach would require widespread abandonment or voluntary euthanasia of the covid infected people that can’t find a bed in the system. If that’s something you are prepared to contemplate then crack on, but for me if we can slow the spread for another couple of months we stand a chance of saving maybe 250,000 lives that would otherwise be lost by letting it rip. We have already lost more people to this disease than died as civilian casualties in the UK as a result of air raids during the Second World War.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
How are we going to compensate for a year of disrupted education? Longer days, longer term times, teach Saturdays, redo the whole year, nothing. It would be amazing if children reached the same standards on average as a normal year, almost worrying infact.
I wouldn’t get too hung up on the old education sacred cow much beloved of politicians. A bit like store cattle, kids soon make up for lost time, at least a lot easier than someone who is 6 foot under or left chronically ill.
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
If the kids don't go back to school, that's me or my wife unable to work, both of us are now key workers. How borked will the economy be if suddenly 50% of your workforce can't work?

Don't panic schools will still be forced to operate creche facilities for key workers. My teacher friends grit there teeth at who thinks they are a key worker.
 

essex man

Member
Location
colchester
388 healthy under 60 year olds have died after testing positive.
Not necessarily of covid just after testing positive.
The virus doesn't kill healthy people, so what are covid deaths...people dying of old age of other illnesses that mean they can't resist a relatively harmless respiratory virus.

restrictions and scaremongering cause deaths of healthy people through preventable cancers not being detected, non attendance at a &e with heart and other serious acute problems.
Suicides
Still births
The list is endless and will cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
 
Location
Devon
Put bluntly your approach would require widespread abandonment or voluntary euthanasia of the covid infected people that can’t find a bed in the system. If that’s something you are prepared to contemplate then crack on, but for me if we can slow the spread for another couple of months we stand a chance of saving maybe 250,000 lives that would otherwise be lost by letting it rip. We have already lost more people to this disease than died as civilian casualties in the UK as a result of air raids during the Second World War.

No we have not lost that many people, about 3 weeks ago the total number of deaths from C-19 was 2,130 since March!

The Gov's total death figures with C-19 include many people that have died in road accidents/ murder victims/ people with terminal cancer and so the list goes on!

People that are scared should lockdown themselves but they rest of us should be allowed to carry on with normal life!

NHS is only in such a mess as its so badly run, take a look at all the pics of the nurses etc wearing full PPE... Grand except that they are not covering their arms/wrists etc so what the hell is the point of all that PPE??
 

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
The universities should never have made them move into halls and accommodation at the start of the year, and it should all have been online until vaccination is complete. The students have been handled disgracefully by the unis

True
My lad has been home more than at uni,since March 2020
He has no intention of going back late January
He can do everything online better and not pay accommodation
He got an accommodation refund for the summer term and wants one for autumnal one
He came home late October before lockdown 2 (he'd only been back 3.5 weeks anyway[emoji85]) after getting a negative test beforehand and isolating, before we scooped him up quickly and brought him home
He can do the work in 2 days of the working week at home, then spend the other 3 being useful at home on the land and in the sheds
He ain't missing one thing at Uni
 
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Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
True
My lad has been home more than at uni,since March 2020
He has no intention of going back late January
He can do everything online better and not pay accommodation
He get an accommodation refund for the summer term and wants one for autumnal one
He can do the work in 2 days of the working week at home, then spend the other 3 being useful at home on the land and in the sheds
He ain't missing one thing at Uni
Not at moment, but uni has always been 40% work, 60% (at minimum) social and growing up
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
People die everyday ( about 1600 in fact in the UK )

Deaths from untreated cancer/ heart problems/suicides etc are going thru the roof?? yet these deaths to people like you dont matter!

And as for flu deaths, there is practically none this winter.... strange that!!!!
I see, you haven't got any answers, fair enough.

Bacofoil shares still doing well? :)
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
This years education has already been damaged beyond repair due to mass absence.
Wouldn’t it be better to write this year off completely and start it again in September. Some students will be leaving school at 19 for 5 years or so but at least having had a proper chance rather than a half arsed job of it. Would that one year delay really matter?
 

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