Should we farm without N?

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
what do you mean by output ?
amout of grass or amout of profit ?
Grass.

None of my business what his profit is.

I'd like nothing more than to get off the hamster wheel that is N on grass. But he is a example on my doorstep of what happens when you do. We rent some of his grass fields now.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Grass.

None of my business what his profit is.

I'd like nothing more than to get off the hamster wheel that is N on grass. But he is a example on my doorstep of what happens when you do. We rent some of his grass fields now.
the amount of profit would be far more important than the amount of grass wouldnt it ?
your naighbour maybe making more than you on his grass even the bits he rents out

I do know what you mean about the hamster wheel though but to my way of looking at it the hamster wheel is about more than just putting on N or not, its what your growing and how you treat the land,
 

BRB John

Member
BASIS
Location
Aberdeenshire
I think he just meant the hamster wheel as far as having to put Nitrogen on every year.
Nobody likes using Nitrogen but no one can question it's results easily quadrupling yields and until someone comes up with a cereal or ryegrass that can fix their own nitrogen like clover can then we are stuck with spreading nitrogen. Assuming that you want to grow enough food to feed people that is...
 

Rainmaker

Member
Location
Canterbury,NZ
Azotobacter in a bottle might be part of the transition from bagged urea, to make the turkey alittle less cold.

I've been concerned for some time noticing the way the land seems to get addicted to urea. Harder to get away from than talk about though.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
A really interesting podcast here about the use of N and K and how soils and organic matter responds.

Really thought-provoking and confirms a lot of anecdotal things we and other farmers find.
I finally got an hour to listen to this podcast today, thanks for bringing it to my attention (y) I found it really interesting.
See so many links to podcasts that I really need it "shoved up my jumper" to listen to one ?
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
I think he just meant the hamster wheel as far as having to put Nitrogen on every year.
Nobody likes using Nitrogen but no one can question it's results easily quadrupling yields and until someone comes up with a cereal or ryegrass that can fix their own nitrogen like clover can then we are stuck with spreading nitrogen. Assuming that you want to grow enough food to feed people that is...
I am only interested in feeding myself and my family anyone else who can't get food should think long and hard afore having kids at the very least
would nitrogen quadruple profits as well ?
 
I think he just meant the hamster wheel as far as having to put Nitrogen on every year.
Nobody likes using Nitrogen but no one can question it's results easily quadrupling yields and until someone comes up with a cereal or ryegrass that can fix their own nitrogen like clover can then we are stuck with spreading nitrogen. Assuming that you want to grow enough food to feed people that is...

Western diets probably don't make enough use of legumes for nutritional purposes to the benefit of cereals
 

Hilly

Member
I think he just meant the hamster wheel as far as having to put Nitrogen on every year.
Nobody likes using Nitrogen but no one can question it's results easily quadrupling yields and until someone comes up with a cereal or ryegrass that can fix their own nitrogen like clover can then we are stuck with spreading nitrogen. Assuming that you want to grow enough food to feed people that is...
Do farmers actually want to grow things to feed people ,
I think he just meant the hamster wheel as far as having to put Nitrogen on every year.
Nobody likes using Nitrogen but no one can question it's results easily quadrupling yields and until someone comes up with a cereal or ryegrass that can fix their own nitrogen like clover can then we are stuck with spreading nitrogen. Assuming that you want to grow enough food to feed people that is...
I only want to feed my family and myself.
 

Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

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Update on the Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot

Written by Lisa Applin

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In July, we opened the applications window for farmers to join our Sustainable Farming Incentive pilot.

The Sustainable Farming Incentive is 1 of the 3 new environmental land management schemes. It sits alongside the future Local Nature Recovery and Landscape Recovery schemes.

Through the Sustainable Farming Incentive, farmers will be paid for environmentally sustainable actions – ones that are simple to do and do not require previous agri-environment scheme experience.

We are piloting the scheme to...
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