Should we voluntarily lose glyphosate as a pre harvest desicant in food crops

[franklin]

your sounding like you have power as a grower! (admirable!)

All it will take is for one mill to stop taking grain for bread and then it will be the same everywhere.

If I had some power, I'd be saying that if we did ban it pre-harvest, that imported grain should be tested for residues at the dock prior to going to a mill.

Its not tricky. If folk dont want to eat is, safe or not, then imported grain should meet the same requirements.

 

[casemx 270]

Its not really about the active I don't think its more to do with the name Monsanto and GM and something political inmo . I don't think we should give in on anything like people have already said give an inch they will take a mile . Also its not used as much on the continent so its not such a loss to them its more a uk thing . I think as uk agricultural we should stand up and fight this ,if you were a farmer in France you wouldn't lie down and take it and look what they get .Let them monitor our health as spray operators .

 

[tw15]

Personally i don't agree with banning glyphosphate . But if we all don't use it on milling wheats pre harvest they wont be able to find it in the grain.
If they do decide to put a ban in force then all gm maize and soya should be banned from being imported, fairs fair in my book.
On the bright side a import ban on produce that has had a application of glyphosphate will create demand for home grown protein and grains

 

[Clive]

Should be limited to X1 application per year of 3 L max and a 90 day harvest interval

Why would anyone farming properly possibly need more than that ? Even in our zero-till system that's as much as we use now so surely for a tillage or plough farmer that's also plenty ?

 

[Rob Holmes]

Should be limited to X1 application per year of 3 L max and a 90 day harvest interval

Why would anyone farming properly possibly need more than that ? Even in our zero-till system that's as much as we use now so surely for a tillage or plough farmer that's also plenty ?

... with the exemption of being able to dessicate OSR on top of your annual application

 

[T Hectares]

Should be limited to X1 application per year of 3 L max and a 90 day harvest interval

Why would anyone farming properly possibly need more than that ? Even in our zero-till system that's as much as we use now so surely for a tillage or plough farmer that's also plenty ?

As someone with blackgrass ( which you don't ) I think I could live with a max of 2
applications with a total of 3-4 ltrs/ha and no harvest use.

But this is a product which is "thought" to be comparable to a sausage with its cancer causing properties, would it be wise to back down voluntarily, wouldn't it open the floodgates of products being attacked ??

 

[Rob Holmes]

It does set a dangerous precedent if it were to get banned

 

[T Hectares]

It does set a dangerous precedent if it were to get banned

I think it would !!

 

[Feldspar]

Anyone listen to Guy Smith at the HAM evening yesterday? Interesting points made in the registration process of actives rather than products.

 

[Clive]

... with the exemption of being able to dessicate OSR on top of your annual application

no I don't desiccate OSR - just use Podstik and patience

 

[Stuart J]

A ban for everyone south of the Humber.

 

[Clive]

As someone with blackgrass ( which you don't ) I think I could live with a max of 2
applications with a total of 3-4 ltrs/ha and no harvest use.

But this is a product which is "thought" to be comparable to a sausage with its cancer causing properties, would it be wise to back down voluntarily, wouldn't it open the floodgates of products being attacked ??

why glyphosate BG twice ?

 

[Clive]

Anyone listen to Guy Smith .

does anyone ever ? sorry couldn't resist that one !

 

[SilliamWhale]

Should be limited to X1 application per year of 3 L max and a 90 day harvest interval

Why would anyone farming properly possibly need more than that ? Even in our zero-till system that's as much as we use now so surely for a tillage or plough farmer that's also plenty ?

The only issue with this is if for example you burn off a cover crop in February, spring crop and then want to burn off a stubble for autumn. Would be twice in 6 months admittedly after an 18 month gap. But I think your principle promotes responsible stewardship

 

[Clive]

The only issue with this is if for example you burn off a cover crop in February, spring crop and then want to burn off a stubble for autumn. Would be twice in 6 months admittedly after an 18 month gap. But I think your principle promotes responsible stewardship

1x 3L application per crop then maybe vs 3L in any 12month period ?

 

[Barleycorn]

does anyone ever ? sorry couldn't resist that one !

I find that you can't get away from him!

 

[B'o'B]

why glyphosate BG twice ?

Because stragglers will be throwing up heads after harvest and will set viable seed if left so need a dose in Autumn, then for Spring sowing you need to take the late winter/early spring germinators out before the drill.
Also brome patched that germinate after harvest will be too dense for reliable control if left untreated until spring.

 

[An Gof]

Should be limited to X1 application per year of 3 L max and a 90 day harvest interval

Why would anyone farming properly possibly need more than that ? Even in our zero-till system that's as much as we use now so surely for a tillage or plough farmer that's also plenty ?

Is this a case of "I'm all right Jack" ?

 

[Clive]

Because stragglers will be throwing up heads after harvest and will set viable seed if left so need a dose in Autumn, then for Spring sowing you need to take the late winter/early spring germinators out before the drill.

even with unlimited glyphosate use people have BG problems -it's clearly no solution,

 

[poorsheepfarmer]

No.

Its all very well countries with lovely summers being all high and mighty about dessicants, but we are not one of them.

I'd learn to live with no pre-harvest roundup, but mills would have to learn to live with 16% wheat again for starters.

Happier with a quota per acre or maximum number of doses.

It always used to ripen, be patient