no its a case of If I can manage (and I don't even have a cultivator to help me) why the feck can't others ?
Should we voluntarily lose glyphosate as a pre harvest desicant in food crops
- Thread starter Goldilocks
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no its a case of If I can manage (and I don't even have a cultivator to help me) why the feck can't others ?
- Location
- Berkshire
For spring cropping, once in autumn, then once before drilling .
This issue is being pushed by the french who use nothing compared to the blackgrass boys, maybe we should vote out.
poorsheepfarmer
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- Location
- North York Moors
Maybe go back to proper farming instead of monoculture
once before drilling is all I do, its plenty I don't have BG but I did have a farm full of grassweed a few years ago that today are no more than a few small patches and occasional headland - work in progress still
no wonder we have resistance and under pressure and loosing chemicals seemingly every week - Farmers have become junkies and the suggestion of having to survive without our fix is instantly met with a million reasons why there is no other way
I've lost count of how many times i've posted this but how on earth did my grandfather manage to farm without all these bags and bottles we are so reliant upon and clearly addicted to ? He should have drowned in grassweeds I reckon
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
No, it's rubbish, nothing has proved it to be unsafe and until it has been there should be no restrictions other than those that already exist. Sick of bloody Eco warriors peddling there own convenient agenda when it suits them and ignoring science when it doesn't.
other wise known as customers ?
doesn't matter if something is correct or not really, it's what people think that matters, if our customers tell us they want us to use less glyphosate then we should listen and find ways to deal with it rather than go crying to mother like spoilt children
its true to say that we don't all need to use as much glyphosate or insecticides as we do right now (just a couple of many examples) - there are ways to reduce use without compromising production yet many are simply to lazy to find them so simply don't bother
that attitude will get more and more products banned make no mistake
No bagged N, grass lays and ploughing. Its not rocket science, but then the yields were rubbish.
yet he and his generation made more money growing crops and milking cows than we could dream of today
progress ??
I really don't think the average costumer cares very much. They will buy on price. Then they will go home and share some post on Facebook that says Monsanto has been banned from a country when it's just a made up story jbecause it's hip to hate Monsanto. Then they will go to the garden centre and buy something to clear the weeds from there drives and I wonder how many check who makes that product.
We tried going to a single glyphosate application in the Spring and it didn't work for us. I am happy with one on an Autumn crop. But really following the WRAG guidelines is sufficient there is no need to gold plate this.
Farmers did well but many people out of agriculture lived a pretty meek existence. Good luck trying to turn the clock back we are in the age of the global economy.
- Location
- Berkshire
My own Granfather battled with Couch grass, one of my earliest memorys was going with him harrowing up couch into rows and burning it, a problem he no longer has due to Glypho being off patent and cheap.
I agree with your earlier statement that one app is enough for spring cropping land *if* you have no bg, if you do have it, two apps would be desirable if an extended stale seedbed or spring cropping is being used on those fields, not a blanket 2 spray approach by all means.
My Grandad has also had the fortune to farm through an era of generous farm support as well, most farms made good livings irrespective of how many chems they used.
It infuriates me when I see farmers combining several days after a glypho app sheer lunacy !!
Up to 2006 I had always direct cut OSR fine, glypho was only used pre harvest for couch control.
what was the spring crop ? if not a spring cereal you could use lot of alternative chemistry to glyphosate for grassweed
rotation is the only way out of grassweed problems - that was something our grandfathers understood very well
Your average french farmer has no desire to loose roundup i can assure you, this political decision to support banning it is to get the eco vote in the presidential elections early next year,
but the public support of farmers here is of paramount importance and if keeping it leaves farmers accused of putting profit before customer health and confidence, it will go, there is a general sceptism about the word of multinationals like monsanto, whilst we dont suffer generally from blackgrass we have a big ryegrass problem, but earlier harvest and later sowing helps,
- Location
- Ashbourne, Derbyshire
I bet your grandfather didn't farm 2500+ acres with 3 men either
SilliamWhale
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nothing to do with glyphosate though
SilliamWhale
Member
But you are chucking on the Avadex willy nilly aren't you?
Peas, linseed, spring rape, flax, hemp.
SilliamWhale
Member
Disagree. It does matter because its important to point out the difference between the degrees of toxicity and what such things mean. Glyphosate is a good tool, extensively tested etc. it does have some negatives but I don't see that it the ban glyphosate should be encouraged particularly as some of those calling for the ban don't seem to understand it very well (one bloke I met big in the anti gm scene thought it was a neonicotonoid)