Shout out to Sally Bercow for persuading her husband to stay on as Speaker to 'kill off Brexit'

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Henarar

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Widgetone

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Another one here .. quotes Leave MP's attributing their current standing as a reason why Yellow Vest protestors from various backgrounds are active in FRANCE ..

Yeah right .. pull the other one Remoaners.

God knows how you justify this Bull .. so tell me, how did Dyson cause Yellow Vest protests in FRANCE then ? or Boris ? or anyone else in the UK for that matter.

And then there's those who will use ANY excuse to blame Brexiteers for the mess Remoaners have literally made.

Well done for screwing up Democracy. What ever happens now is a direct result of your intransigence, intolerance and sheer bloody mindedness.
I'm sorry Wanton, not sure I completely understand your reply - did I suggest Mr Dyson caused the yellow vest thing, thought it started out as a fuel duty protest iirc.

The point I was trying to make, apologies again if not being crystal clear, was that the Brexiteers also have a rich elite that are not afraid of using off shore tax shelters etc too. I thought your original post inferred that was solely a Remainer/Remoaner elite strategy.
 

Henarar

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I'm sorry Wanton, not sure I completely understand your reply - did I suggest Mr Dyson caused the yellow vest thing, thought it started out as a fuel duty protest iirc.

The point I was trying to make, apologies again if not being crystal clear, was that the Brexiteers also have a rich elite that are not afraid of using off shore tax shelters etc too. I thought your original post inferred that was solely a Remainer/Remoaner elite strategy.
Wouldn't have thought it would make much odds which way they voted they would try to keep what they can
 

Ball acre

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Couple of points:
1. Has anyone on this website accused Brexiteers of being thick, or bigoted, or narrow minded? I’ve not noticed any of them being used here. Likewise, I’ve seen Gammons, but not gammon headed. I don’t like Gammons, but it seems to have found its way into common parlance, much like Remoaner and snowflake have. Neither side is free from childish insults, so please don’t paint either as a victim in this. Sadly, the issue has proved to be horridly divisive for society in this country.

2. The referendum wasn’t held to democratic standards, which is probably just as well, else we would be seeing more people on criminal charges right now.
Couple of points:
1. Has anyone on this website accused Brexiteers of being thick, or bigoted, or narrow minded? I’ve not noticed any of them being used here. Likewise, I’ve seen Gammons, but not gammon headed. I don’t like Gammons, but it seems to have found its way into common parlance, much like Remoaner and snowflake have. Neither side is free from childish insults, so please don’t paint either as a victim in this. Sadly, the issue has proved to be horridly divisive for society in this country.

2. The referendum wasn’t held to democratic standards, which is probably just as well, else we would be seeing more people on criminal charges right now.
These big companies are doing a great disservice to the UK by not being honest and stating out loud and plainly that they are shutting down in the UK because of brexit. They seem not to want to make true statements that could have some politicians accuse them of interfering in UK politics. Telling the truth four square is not interfering in politics. It is just telling it as it is rather than making weak excuses. If their main customers are based in the EU, what possible advantage do they have from producing components in the UK. Especially when they need to maximise their profit margins to remain competitive and to ensure that their share price increases to satisfy investors.

When will the brexit supporters wake up and smell the coffee. Every company that can possibly move to the Eurozone is either doing so or preparing to do so or is preparing to wind down its UK operations. Just when will these people wake up? When there is nothing at all left here? No doubt once again they will blame everyone and everything except themselves. The EU will continue to be an easy target for these blinkered racist, business illiterates.

As for Boots, it is another victim of the high street pressure mainly caused by the change to internet sales. It has some shops that are lossmaking and will need to be closed but they are in nothing like the trouble that Debenhams is in. Not everything is brexit related, although I'm sure that those with blinkers on will use anything they can to claim, credit or discredit one way or another. It's the nature of their inflexible ways of thinking.

In other words, if he doesn't like it he should fudge off home. A message that is just as pertinent in the UK, including Wales. If they can't and won't integrate and learn to speak the language and object to the natives doing so, they really should seriously consider fudgeing off back to where they or their family came from
. Blinkered racist, business illiterates! Can’t be bothered to find it but I’m sure on one thread he said August was not a good time to calve dairy cows!
 

Cowabunga

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. Blinkered racist, business illiterates! Can’t be bothered to find it but I’m sure on one thread he said August was not a good time to calve dairy cows!

I'm not sure I understand that. Are you saying that it is racist to expect any immigrant to be tolerant of, and to integrate with the culture into which they immigrate, to the people and language of that region? To expect immigrants [and visitors] not to object to signs and forms and people speaking the natural language of that region?

When I speak to English people, and indeed people from other regions, I try and speak a language they understand, and that includes posting here in English for the English speakers and indeed speaking to English speakers locally. However, if speaking to a Welsh first language speaker I will certainly speak to them in their native language. If out in mixed company, I'll endeavour to speak in a language that can be understood and is natural to the people directly concerned. This sometimes means that a non Welsh speaker is somewhat marginalised for short periods. That's just tough and most people who have been here a while accept that because the world doesn't revolve around then, the odd one out. They have the choice in the medium term of learning the language of course, and I would encourage everyone to do so, because they miss out on so much unless they do so, especially so in the agricultural environment. If they can't be bothered, that is their choice, but they shouldn't bleat about it as a small minority do, expecting everyone else but themselves to change to suit them.

If I bought a place or spent much time in France, Germany or Russia, I would certainly learn their language and use it, at least verbally. I have several friends who are absolutely fluent in Welsh despite coming here from England. Two examples are a lady that learnt Welsh when she fell in love with a Welshman and has a better vocabulary than mine. The other is a girl that came from London in her teens and learnt the language fluently and always uses it when possible who is now in her late 20's and a deputy headmistress of a large primary school in Liverpool.

I'm off to Cambridge for Easter with my wife and four friends and we shall certainly speak Welsh to one another but English, in which I'm perfectly fluent and bilingual, to locals there. I think monoglots are unaware that truly bilingual people can, for instance, read a book in one language and in the same breath discuss it with friends in another language and back and forth even with a sentence.
 
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Ball acre

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I'm not sure I understand that. Are you saying that it is racist to expect any immigrant to be tolerant of, and to integrate with the culture, people and language of that region? To expect immigrants [and visitors] not to object to signs and forms and people speaking the natural language of that region?
I’m just saying that you called Brexit supporters blinkered racist, business illiterates which I think was a bit harsh. You also give the impression of not enjoying the company of English relocaters who fail to immerse themselves in your culture. I could be wrong of course, just sayin’.
 

Cowabunga

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I’m just saying that you called Brexit supporters blinkered racist, business illiterates which I think was a bit harsh. You also give the impression of not enjoying the company of English relocaters who fail to immerse themselves in your culture. I could be wrong of course, just sayin’.

Bit harsh maybe but generally accurate.
I enjoy the company of all intelligent and interesting people from all cultures and countries. However, the conflicts between cultures in places such as England mostly occur when immigrants swamp an area and do not try to integrate, but rather create ghettos where a large number do not even try to learn the local language or try to integrate with the existing community. No country's population anywhere finds that acceptable. It is a recipe for conflict. Multiculturalism is nonsense on any scale other than tiny. Hence the commonly held Brexit supporter's view about immigration being unacceptable. I do not take the view that it is unacceptable. I take the view that it is good as long as the immigrants 'do as the Romans do' outside their homes to a sensible degree. That means accepting that schools will teach their children in English or Welsh [in Wales] and that signs will be in Welsh or bilingual with Welsh first in Wales and in Polish in Poland and German in Germany. Hindi or whatever in India and the local Indian restaurant.
 
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renewablejohn

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Bit harsh maybe but generally accurate.
I enjoy the company of all intelligent and interesting people from all cultures and countries. However, the conflicts between cultures in places such as England mostly occur when immigrants swamp an area and do not try to integrate, but rather create ghettos where a large number do not even try to learn the local language or try to integrate with the existing community. No country's population anywhere finds that acceptable. It is a recipe for conflict. Multiculturalism is nonsense on any scale other than tiny. Hence the commonly held Brexit supporter's view about immigration being unacceptable. I do not take the view that it is unacceptable. I take the view that it is good as long as the immigrants 'do as the Romans do' outside their homes to a sensible degree. That means accepting that schools will teach their children in English or Welsh [in Wales] and that signs will be in Welsh or bilingual with Welsh first in Wales and in Polish in Poland and German in Germany. Hindi or whatever in India and the local Indian restaurant.

Always remember going into a welsh pub with my welsh friend. The whole pub turned round as we walked in and went upto the bar to order a drink. You could hear a pin drop. My friend ordered the pints in welsh and the whole pub continued chatting in English. We sat down drinking our pints when a family came in. Same happened again everyone stared at the new arrivals and you could hear a pin drop. They proceeded to the bar and ordered in English. With that conversations restarted but the whole pub was now speaking Welsh. I drank up with my friend and left thinking what an ignorant bunch.
 

Cowabunga

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Always remember going into a welsh pub with my welsh friend. The whole pub turned round as we walked in and went upto the bar to order a drink. You could hear a pin drop. My friend ordered the pints in welsh and the whole pub continued chatting in English. We sat down drinking our pints when a family came in. Same happened again everyone stared at the new arrivals and you could hear a pin drop. They proceeded to the bar and ordered in English. With that conversations restarted but the whole pub was now speaking Welsh. I drank up with my friend and left thinking what an ignorant bunch.
You are delusional. They couldn't give a flying f**k for whoever you were unless you were dressed like a fairy. Most of us have been in plenty of pubs as strangers and nobody would know what or who you were nor care less unless you interacted with them. People are more or less the same everywhere, except Russia.
 

Henarar

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Always remember going into a welsh pub with my welsh friend. The whole pub turned round as we walked in and went upto the bar to order a drink. You could hear a pin drop. My friend ordered the pints in welsh and the whole pub continued chatting in English. We sat down drinking our pints when a family came in. Same happened again everyone stared at the new arrivals and you could hear a pin drop. They proceeded to the bar and ordered in English. With that conversations restarted but the whole pub was now speaking Welsh. I drank up with my friend and left thinking what an ignorant bunch.
that's not the first time I have heard that
 

Highland Mule

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You are delusional. They couldn't give a flying fudge for whoever you were unless you were dressed like a fairy. Most of us have been in plenty of pubs as strangers and nobody would know what or who you were nor care less unless you interacted with them. People are more or less the same everywhere, except Russia.

It’s called unconscious bias. You probably wouldn’t even notice they were doing it.
 

rob1

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Couple of points:
1. Has anyone on this website accused Brexiteers of being thick, or bigoted, or narrow minded? I’ve not noticed any of them being used here. Likewise, I’ve seen Gammons, but not gammon headed. I don’t like Gammons, but it seems to have found its way into common parlance, much like Remoaner and snowflake have. Neither side is free from childish insults, so please don’t paint either as a victim in this. Sadly, the issue has proved to be horridly divisive for society in this country.

2. The referendum wasn’t held to democratic standards, which is probably just as well, else we would be seeing more people on criminal charges right now.

So now's a good time to revisit the business plan, right? Delete the SFP after 2017 (yes, I know the swivel-eyed loons on TFF reckon that it'll carry on coming, but they're just in denial), pencil in World grain prices, beef and sheep prices, any figure you like for milk (you'll still be out, whatever figure you select) - mostly lower figures than now, right?
One walter P

Way to go fudge tarts... So much arrogance, thinking your country is stronger than it actually is. Good job...give it a few months and the enemy could tries will be waltzing in. The people who voted to exit are the same type of people who voted for Trump in the US. Now can you imagine if Trump gets voted in? With you idiots fudgeing up everything and then Trump being elected...the world is fudgeed...good job you idiots with bad teeth...fudge me....
Davinci314

Plenty more where that came from
 

Highland Mule

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So now's a good time to revisit the business plan, right? Delete the SFP after 2017 (yes, I know the swivel-eyed loons on TFF reckon that it'll carry on coming, but they're just in denial), pencil in World grain prices, beef and sheep prices, any figure you like for milk (you'll still be out, whatever figure you select) - mostly lower figures than now, right?
One walter P

Way to go fudge tarts... So much arrogance, thinking your country is stronger than it actually is. Good job...give it a few months and the enemy could tries will be waltzing in. The people who voted to exit are the same type of people who voted for Trump in the US. Now can you imagine if Trump gets voted in? With you idiots fudgeing up everything and then Trump being elected...the world is fudgeed...good job you idiots with bad teeth...fudge me....
Davinci314

Plenty more where that came from

It would have helped if you had voted properly, but I'll take your word that the quotes are accurate.

The first one isn't directed at Brexiteers, per se, but just states that anyone who thinks that SFP will last forever is a "swivel eyed loon", which isn't the same as "thick, bigoted or narrow minded". So, not directed at Brexiteers, and not the quoted insult - I'll reject that one. How long ago was it anyway? Hasn't WalterP been gone for years now?

The second one, "idiots with bad teeth" - nope that's not bigot, thick or narrow minded either. And without context it's not even clear if it refers to Trump voters or Brexit voters.

Go on, try a bit harder and maybe give me the proper quoting as well, if you care. I'm not sure I do though, to be honest.
 

rob1

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It would have helped if you had voted properly, but I'll take your word that the quotes are accurate.

The first one isn't directed at Brexiteers, per se, but just states that anyone who thinks that SFP will last forever is a "swivel eyed loon", which isn't the same as "thick, bigoted or narrow minded". So, not directed at Brexiteers, and not the quoted insult - I'll reject that one. How long ago was it anyway? Hasn't WalterP been gone for years now?

The second one, "idiots with bad teeth" - nope that's not bigot, thick or narrow minded either. And without context it's not even clear if it refers to Trump voters or Brexit voters.

Go on, try a bit harder and maybe give me the proper quoting as well, if you care. I'm not sure I do though, to be honest.
they were both from brexit threads and refered to leave voters, only quoted the insults, as you can guess walts did take up a fair bit of space
 

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