Shout out to Sally Bercow for persuading her husband to stay on as Speaker to 'kill off Brexit'

willy

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Moldova has Rexited. Look where it is today. That could be the UK in ten year's time, I kid you not.


But this is the point... It's unknown quite how it will turn out, but it doesn't make it wrong. I think what we needed was to respect the vote nstead of squabilng over the result (that was known) we should have had joined up thinking from all sides to create a sensible way forward without being in the EU.

The whole better in than out is pointless. We should have been a free trading nation that made the most of our ability to be forging a new path I'm sure with bumps along the way.

So now we have pee'd off people on all sides still crying about it's not fair. My 3 children have tantrums too, but the real thing is not to give in other wise they turn into stomping angry spoilt brats who don't stop crying until they get there way. Theyhave totlearn to respect decisions.
 
It really is ironic how a few hardcore remainers showsuch contempt for democracy, that is of course unless it is in-line with Thier view.

Bigoted, narrow minded, gammon heads, thick and many other phases the hardcore remainers with ''brexiteers'. Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony in their words.

They are totally intolerant to a democratic referendum result, berate opinions which is not theirs and then use this language to describe people who don't conform to their views.
This is I believe the start of a slippery slope, how will we ever uphold democratic rights if outcomes are not respected and blatantly sabotaged and @Bomber_Harris and his mates who are encouraging this sort of selfish agenda to get Thier way at any cost becarefull for what you wish for as it may come to haunt you in future when democracy is seen as a right (for a few) not for everyone.
Just a quick reminder of bigoted definition
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  1. obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, and intolerant towards other people's beliefs and practices.
    "a bigoted group of reactionaries"
Bomber is just pushing buttons, and many are obliging with the desired response.
 

Cowabunga

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But this is the point... It's unknown quite how it will turn out, but it doesn't make it wrong. I think what we needed was to respect the vote nstead of squabilng over the result (that was known) we should have had joined up thinking from all sides to create a sensible way forward without being in the EU.

The whole better in than out is pointless. We should have been a free trading nation that made the most of our ability to be forging a new path I'm sure with bumps along the way.

So now we have pee'd off people on all sides still crying about it's not fair. My 3 children have tantrums too, but the real thing is not to give in other wise they turn into stomping angry spoilt brats who don't stop crying until they get there way. Theyhave totlearn to respect decisions.

This is one of the most important decisions made by this country ever, short of war. The prosperity of our children and grandchildren depend on it. Not many politicians are willing to bet on a no-deal brexit, for obvious reasons. Not many on either side are willing to go with Mrs May's deal because it effectively means we are stuck with UK rules and payment without our previous representation, ergo staying in the EU is a better option than both of those. Which narrows it down to…….what? One side that wants to leave but on each individual's terms which are totally different to their neighbour's, and what are by now the sizeable majority that can see the calamity of it all and wish to stay.
In the meantime the country goes to hell in a handbasket anyway. Believe me the money will eventually run out and we will be Moldova MkII
 

willy

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This is one of the most important decisions made by this country ever, short of war. The prosperity of our children and grandchildren depend on it. Not many politicians are willing to bet on a no-deal brexit, for obvious reasons. Not many on either side are willing to go with Mrs May's deal because it effectively means we are stuck with UK rules and payment without our previous representation, ergo staying in the EU is a better option than both of those. Which narrows it down to…….what? One side that wants to leave but on each individual's terms which are totally different to their neighbour's, and what are by now the sizeable majority that can see the calamity of it all and wish to stay.
In the meantime the country goes to hell in a handbasket anyway. Believe me the money will eventually run out and we will be Moldova MkII

We won't know until we have tried and I would say the gamble is equal to staying in.

Look at how the high street is changing, businesses need to be more nimble and be able to change to conditions. The big dinosaurs of the high street are to big and not agile enough. Do you get my metaphor.

Look at the british empire the austro Hungarian empire the Roman empire the European U empire. Times change and things move oo.
 

renewablejohn

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You are delusional. They couldn't give a flying fudge for whoever you were unless you were dressed like a fairy. Most of us have been in plenty of pubs as strangers and nobody would know what or who you were nor care less unless you interacted with them. People are more or less the same everywhere, except Russia.

Certainly not delusional. My friend knew what the pub was like before he went in there thats why he ordered rather than me.
 
We won't know until we have tried and I would say the gamble is equal to staying in.

Look at how the high street is changing, businesses need to be more nimble and be able to change to conditions. The big dinosaurs of the high street are to big and not agile enough. Do you get my metaphor.

Look at the british empire the austro Hungarian empire the Roman empire the European U empire. Times change and things move oo.
If the breaking up of the empires and unions is the way forward, will a future break up of the UK be inevitable?

Genuine question.
 

Cowabunga

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Certainly not delusional. My friend knew what the pub was like before he went in there thats why he ordered rather than me.
Have you considered that he may have been less than welcome there for some reason? He obviously 'knew'.

I can assure you that if a group of Welsh lads were in any pub around here, they would not 'revert' to speaking English at any time, because they would not have been speaking it in the first place.
 

willy

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Rutland
I agree with @Cowabunga, my wife is Welsh speaking and when I first went up ttere i was told that similar story. What I found is they where speaking Welsh when I got there and carried on speaking Welsh when I was there unless they where talking to me and why shouldn't they as it's their first language.

I also agree that the signs should be just in Welsh, for a few reasons
1. It is their country's language
2. It would save a fortune in signage
3. When in Rome do as the Romans. We don't have English and Welsh signs on our side of the border.

But the problem Wales has is large parts are already very anglicised and I think they may have alot of uproar from within by the locals who can't be bothered to fit in to their new adopted culture. And this is one of the down sides of mass immigration.
 
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willy

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I tend to agree, I think splits will become infectious and won't stop at the break up of the EU.

Yes I tend to agree, they all already have a parliament and so we already have unnecessary layers of government. and many don't want to be joined, so if they have a referendum they can choose.
 
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rob1

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This is one of the most important decisions made by this country ever, short of war. The prosperity of our children and grandchildren depend on it. Not many politicians are willing to bet on a no-deal brexit, for obvious reasons. Not many on either side are willing to go with Mrs May's deal because it effectively means we are stuck with UK rules and payment without our previous representation, ergo staying in the EU is a better option than both of those. Which narrows it down to…….what? One side that wants to leave but on each individual's terms which are totally different to their neighbour's, and what are by now the sizeable majority that can see the calamity of it all and wish to stay.
In the meantime the country goes to hell in a handbasket anyway. Believe me the money will eventually run out and we will be Moldova MkII
Another one who thinks if they keep saying a majority now wants to stay that somehow its true, where are the facts to support that ? I dont know one person who has changed their mind from leaving but I do know a few that have now said we must leave, was at the rugby on Sat and there was a big conversation going on behing me saying much the same, one of those involved worked for Honda in swindon, now you might think he would want to stay in, but he said both BMW and Jag/LR have been round looking to buy the factory, BMW want it asap to increase production, they arent worried about no deal obviously
 

Highland Mule

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Another one who thinks if they keep saying a majority now wants to stay that somehow its true, where are the facts to support that ? I dont know one person who has changed their mind from leaving but I do know a few that have now said we must leave, was at the rugby on Sat and there was a big conversation going on behing me saying much the same, one of those involved worked for Honda in swindon, now you might think he would want to stay in, but he said both BMW and Jag/LR have been round looking to buy the factory, BMW want it asap to increase production, they arent worried about no deal obviously

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-...s-the-full-extent-of-britain-s-division-bruta

Other polls exist, but my understanding is that most show a shift away from leave towards remain. It’s not “facts”, but it is an indication. FWIW, in my part of the country and socioeconomic group, I know very few leavers, and the few I do know are showing remorse.
 

turbo

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https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-...s-the-full-extent-of-britain-s-division-bruta

Other polls exist, but my understanding is that most show a shift away from leave towards remain. It’s not “facts”, but it is an indication. FWIW, in my part of the country and socioeconomic group, I know very few leavers, and the few I do know are showing remorse.
If the establishment though they would win this time we would of been forced to have another vote by now, but they cannot be sure we would vote the right way yet so the drip drip of failure keeps going until the time is right to get people to vote differently
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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