Single Market / Customs Union - A Tragic Loss

Ashtree

Member
As humans, we have an innate tendency to take what we have for granted. Very often, we don’t appreciate the true meaning or value of something, until it’s gone. Then sadly it can all too often be too late.
Barely two weeks into the final Brexit trade deal, I dare say there are many, many businesses today, grappling with a sudden reality, that membership of the single market / customs union, did indeed bring massive benefits. It effectively oiled the wheels of commerce, enabled business and moreover enabled small businesses with limited resources, to trade with minimum friction into and out of a simply massive market, right on the doorstep. Sadly for the vast majority of such businesses, they cannot do like JRM and many others have done, by shifting their business’s to the EU.

The people were hoodwinked by the Brexit leadership, in that they were promised a future free of regulatory strangulation, with simultaneous free access to the EU. They were painted a sunny upland with milk and honey. Instead they have been given a barren hillside, handcuffs and sour milk.

I dare say, imaginary threats posed by China, are just that in the scheme of things, imaginary.
Closer to home, there are now clear and present dangers, engendered by the domestic bourgeoisie and perpetrated on the proletariat.

Just sayin, what most people are thinking ....
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
As humans, we have an innate tendency to take what we have for granted. Very often, we don’t appreciate the true meaning or value of something, until it’s gone. Then sadly it can all too often be too late.
Barely two weeks into the final Brexit trade deal, I dare say there are many, many businesses today, grappling with a sudden reality, that membership of the single market / customers union, did indeed bring massive benefits. It effectively oiled the wheels of commerce, enabled business and moreover enabled small businesses with limited resources, to trade with minimum friction into and out of a simply massive market, right on the doorstep. Sadly for the vast majority of such businesses, they cannot do like JRM and many others have done, by shifting their business’s to the EU.

The people were hoodwinked by the Brexit leadership, in that they were promised a future free of regulatory strangulation, with simultaneous free access to the EU. They were painted a sunny upland with milk and honey. Instead they have been given a barren hillside, handcuffs and sour milk.

I dare say, imaginary threats posed by China, are just that in the scheme of things, imaginary.
Closer to home, there are now clear and present dangers, engendered by the domestic bourgeoisie and perpetrated on the proletariat.

Just sayin, what most people are thinking ....

You maybe right of course, but it’s far too early to tell. We’re two weeks into a new regime, one which was barely decided on a few days previously. There will inevitably be a period of time before things bed down and everyone knows what they’re doing.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
As humans, we have an innate tendency to take what we have for granted. Very often, we don’t appreciate the true meaning or value of something, until it’s gone. Then sadly it can all too often be too late.
Barely two weeks into the final Brexit trade deal, I dare say there are many, many businesses today, grappling with a sudden reality, that membership of the single market / customs union, did indeed bring massive benefits. It effectively oiled the wheels of commerce, enabled business and moreover enabled small businesses with limited resources, to trade with minimum friction into and out of a simply massive market, right on the doorstep. Sadly for the vast majority of such businesses, they cannot do like JRM and many others have done, by shifting their business’s to the EU.

The people were hoodwinked by the Brexit leadership, in that they were promised a future free of regulatory strangulation, with simultaneous free access to the EU. They were painted a sunny upland with milk and honey. Instead they have been given a barren hillside, handcuffs and sour milk.

I dare say, imaginary threats posed by China, are just that in the scheme of things, imaginary.
Closer to home, there are now clear and present dangers, engendered by the domestic bourgeoisie and perpetrated on the proletariat.

Just sayin, what most people are thinking ....
 
You maybe right of course, but it’s far too early to tell. We’re two weeks into a new regime, one which was barely decided on a few days previously. There will inevitably be a period of time before things bed down and everyone knows what they’re doing.
4.5 years to prepare and look at the mess we have. Things will bed down and then we will be left with the realities that cant be avoided, these will drip out one at a time and then we will truly see the reality of where we are, will "we" be happy with our new found freedoms or not, who knows, will those who are truly disappointed have the balls to say so, well thats a different matter, but as they have swung so far away from their desired outcome to that of singing the praises of their 2nd worse nightmare - I doubt it. Time will tell, but now is not the time.
 

robs1

Member
4.5 years to prepare and look at the mess we have. Things will bed down and then we will be left with the realities that cant be avoided, these will drip out one at a time and then we will truly see the reality of where we are, will "we" be happy with our new found freedoms or not, who knows, will those who are truly disappointed have the balls to say so, well thats a different matter, but as they have swung so far away from their desired outcome to that of singing the praises of their 2nd worse nightmare - I doubt it. Time will tell, but now is not the time.
Equally will those who predict armageddon admit things arent as bad as they predicted ?
The simple fact is we import and export to many many countries without issue, once all the teething troubles and playing politics get sorted it will be fine.
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Equally will those who predict armageddon admit things arent as bad as they predicted ?
The simple fact is we import and export to many many countries without issue, once all the teething troubles and playing politics get sorted it will be fine.


I still can’t recall anyone predicting « Armageddon »🤔.
Certainly, to my mind, Armageddon has something of a global implication and look at a map of the globe, UK really ain’t very big, it was never going to have a global impact.
It’s more of a “self harm” kind of a deal🥴
 
Equally will those who predict armageddon admit things arent as bad as they predicted ?
The simple fact is we import and export to many many countries without issue, once all the teething troubles and playing politics get sorted it will be fine.
Who predicted Armageddon? But as we never left on the no deal you and many others wanted then we will never know how bad/good it would of been. I’m baffled by those hard core ND advocates who have managed to cross to the dark side and as I said, praise a deal that keeps us shackled to the despicable EU - And don’t mention the fish...
 

B'o'B

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Rutland
In 2016 a narrow majority voted to leave. In 2019 the UK population voted in a party to "get Brexit done". The may not have won the popular vote, but they did win the election. I may not like it, but that is water under the bridge.
In the short term leaving is definitely a bad thing for both sides, but the EU is by far the stronger side so I feel it will be defiantly be less bad for them.
In the medium term it is likely to be poorer for both sides under the current arrangements, but again I feel the UK will likely take the bigger hit.
In the longer term who knows, if the UK hangs together, and if (and currently it looks like a big if) it has some decent leadership it could be for the best for both parties.
If you look back objectively the UK often seemed to be an oddball in the EU, in many ways a reluctant participant. It can be agued either way, whether we held the project back, or, conversely we provided a voice of restraint (and maybe sanity), I guess now time has a chance to show which we were! The EU certainly has its faults, but lets not be blind, so does the UK. It depressed me when I went to Scotland for a friends wedding about 10 years ago and was threatened simply for being English in the local town (I doubt anything that has happened since then has reduced those peoples animosity toward the English), but then again I find some of the anti-Scots posts that I read on here from English posters and elsewhere equally depressing.
 

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Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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