Sinking ship?

vantage

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Livestock Farmer
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Pembs
Ther obviously a simple explanation. Those darned kiwi dairy farmers have helped themselves to a bit of free grazing on the sly!:LOL:
 

The Ruminant

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Hertfordshire
As we know, the cow isn’t the problem:

Where does the carbon come from, that the cow emits (both as CH4, ie methane, and as CO2, ie carbon dioxide)? Obviously the answer is from the forage that it eats.

Where does the forage get its carbon? From the carbon dioxide in the air, as it photosynthesises.

Where does the air get its carbon dioxide from? From the breath and emissions of humans and other living creatures.

Methane breaks down to carbon dioxide in about ten years which means the methane cows are emitting now is simply replacing the stuff from ten years ago. It’s like filling a bucket with a hole in it with water. The amount of water in the bucket (ie the atmosphere) stays the same if the water flowing in (methane emissions from cattle) is at the same rate as the water flowing out (methane breakdown to carbon dioxide).

This is why it is called the “carbon cycle”. No new carbon is added to the atmosphere.

There were as many enteric-fermenting (ie methane-emitting) animals on the earth 100m years ago as there are today. They play a vital role in cycling the carbon that plants capture, and this cycling is essential to life on earth.

“New” carbon comes from fossil fuels. We dig up and extract billions of tonnes every year and pump it into the atmosphere. Maybe James Cameron has realised this.
 

Bob the beef

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Scot Borders
As we know, the cow isn’t the problem:

Where does the carbon come from, that the cow emits (both as CH4, ie methane, and as CO2, ie carbon dioxide)? Obviously the answer is from the forage that it eats.

Where does the forage get its carbon? From the carbon dioxide in the air, as it photosynthesises.

Where does the air get its carbon dioxide from? From the breath and emissions of humans and other living creatures.

Methane breaks down to carbon dioxide in about ten years which means the methane cows are emitting now is simply replacing the stuff from ten years ago. It’s like filling a bucket with a hole in it with water. The amount of water in the bucket (ie the atmosphere) stays the same if the water flowing in (methane emissions from cattle) is at the same rate as the water flowing out (methane breakdown to carbon dioxide).

This is why it is called the “carbon cycle”. No new carbon is added to the atmosphere.

There were as many enteric-fermenting (ie methane-emitting) animals on the earth 100m years ago as there are today. They play a vital role in cycling the carbon that plants capture, and this cycling is essential to life on earth.

“New” carbon comes from fossil fuels. We dig up and extract billions of tonnes every year and pump it into the atmosphere. Maybe James Cameron has realised this.
Can you cut and paste and send over to Blue Peter. Might help them with their stated intention of educating the next generation 😡
 

The Ruminant

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Livestock Farmer
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Hertfordshire
@The Ruminant A very well thought out and explained piece. Why could we not see this in the main stream media to take the heat of Livestock Farming!!
WB
I regularly paste similar in the comments section of The Times, under cow-bashing articles. It generally gets dozens of likes etc but it’s not quite up there in the main newspaper. Maybe I should write to Clarkson and he can do an article based on it for the Sunday Times Magazine - that would reach the masses!
 

onesiedale

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Derbyshire
I regularly paste similar in the comments section of The Times, under cow-bashing articles. It generally gets dozens of likes etc but it’s not quite up there in the main newspaper. Maybe I should write to Clarkson and he can do an article based on it for the Sunday Times Magazine - that would reach the masses!
Clarkson would just love material like that to use! It has that common sense irony about it which is so bleedin' obvious that he is probably one of the best positioned people to get the message heard.
On the back of that, he is the sort of person to set up a beef herd just to prove a point . ... and tell everyone about it too!
 

texelburger

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
As we know, the cow isn’t the problem:

Where does the carbon come from, that the cow emits (both as CH4, ie methane, and as CO2, ie carbon dioxide)? Obviously the answer is from the forage that it eats.

Where does the forage get its carbon? From the carbon dioxide in the air, as it photosynthesises.

Where does the air get its carbon dioxide from? From the breath and emissions of humans and other living creatures.

Methane breaks down to carbon dioxide in about ten years which means the methane cows are emitting now is simply replacing the stuff from ten years ago. It’s like filling a bucket with a hole in it with water. The amount of water in the bucket (ie the atmosphere) stays the same if the water flowing in (methane emissions from cattle) is at the same rate as the water flowing out (methane breakdown to carbon dioxide).

This is why it is called the “carbon cycle”. No new carbon is added to the atmosphere.

There were as many enteric-fermenting (ie methane-emitting) animals on the earth 100m years ago as there are today. They play a vital role in cycling the carbon that plants capture, and this cycling is essential to life on earth.

“New” carbon comes from fossil fuels. We dig up and extract billions of tonnes every year and pump it into the atmosphere. Maybe James Cameron has realised this.
Well summed up and presented.I just don't understand why the environmentalists don't see it this way,I think they all have their own agendas.
 

JJT

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Cumbria
If us simple sons of the soil can work it out, one would think others concerned with the 'environment' would be able to!
I think they can, it's not the environment, it's getting rid of animal agriculture that is their main objective. Just look at all the cherry picked studies and misinterpreted data they use, surely they must know it's rubbish and misleading.
 

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