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[multi power]

Don't want to be hard on a new member but doesn't seem like a job I'd want if I had to go away from self employment!
4:30 am start is bound to be 4:15 at the latest to have a drink and powder ones nose, until 12:30, then back in at 3:15 til half six?

No thanks, I'm oot.

Sounds fairly normal dairy hours to me

 

[ollie989898]

I have done plenty of it enough myself to know that split shifts are utterly sh!t.

You won't find many folks that would stick that kind of arrangement for long. I have heard of herdsmen arrangements where they are paid a certain amount of money per litre produced. The good ones will be able to earn 50K plus house without too much sweat.

 

[ollie989898]

Sounds fairly normal dairy hours to me

Fairly normal for dairy, but why would someone do it unless the package was excellent OR they owned the gaff themselves?

Seems to me a lot of dairy farmers don't actually want to milk cows, presenting something of an oxymoron.

 

[multi power]

Fairly normal for dairy, but why would someone do it unless the package was excellent OR they owned the gaff themselves?

Seems to me a lot of dairy farmers don't actually want to milk cows, presenting something of an oxymoron.

Why not ?

 

[wasted years]

Fairly normal for dairy, but why would someone do it unless the package was excellent OR they owned the gaff themselves?

Seems to me a lot of dairy farmers don't actually want to milk cows, presenting something of an oxymoron.

A chap that used to work as a herdsperson near to me said that, 'no-one in Cumbria wants to milk their own cows'.
It used to be the case that a farm employing a man quite often had the boss milk in the morning and the man in the afternoon.
Farms have got bigger I suppose, my cousin is setting up his 3rd farm and will be at 1500 cows soon, they start about 4;45- 5AM but are finished by 4;30-5PM.
Seems to work for him but they are seasonal calvers.

 

[Scholsey]

If someone wants to work 9-5 in a stuffy office and hate their job thats fine but there are people out there who want to work hard and do a job they enjoy, i worked 4-12 2-6 11 days on 3 off on 350 cow herd and it was proper graft but i learned a lot, enjoyed it and if i had my time again could have put a deposit on a house in 18 months of working.

There are plenty of NHS staff who do far more hours than that dealing with peoples lives on probably not much more money than would be offered for the job advertised!

 

[wasted years]

If someone wants to work 9-5 in a stuffy office and hate their job thats fine but there are people out there who want to work hard and do a job they enjoy, i worked 4-12 2-6 11 days on 3 off on 350 cow herd and it was proper graft but i learned a lot, enjoyed it and if i had my time again could have put a deposit on a house in 18 months of working.

There are plenty of NHS staff who do far more hours than that dealing with peoples lives on probably not much more money than would be offered for the job advertised!

Which NHS staff doing what job?
My wife works for the NHS , does 32 hours and gets well paid.
I do accept that there are poorer jobs in there though.

 

[Scholsey]

Which NHS staff doing what job?
My wife works for the NHS , does 32 hours and gets well paid.
I do accept that there are poorer jobs in there though.

There are GPs that regularly do 11+ hour days seeing 30+ patients a day a small mistake with any of them could result in a career ending tribunal or worse, plenty of other front line NHS staff at breakiing point hours/mental capacity wise. I dont think some people realise how tough other jobs are ahow little job security a massive % of the population are experiencing. There is no mention of a wage on that advert, they could be offering 12-14£/h for someone with very little qualifications but with a good work ethic and wiliness to learn.

Admittedly i wouldnt want to do the hours advertised for someone else but i always knew i would eventually be doing them for myself so didnt mind grafting for others aslong as i was learning and felt like i was being paid fairly.

 

[dairyrow]

The team structure:
- Dairy herd manager
- Assistant herd manager, responsible for cows, youngstock and milking
- Assistant herd manager, responsible for TMR feeding and general farm work
- RECRUIT Herdsperson: youngstock and milking
- RECRUIT Herdsperson: milking and animal welfare
- RECRUIT Farm worker: yard work and TMR feeding

this is for 300 cows and 160 youngstock. im milking 300 cows mostly by myself and i bet they've got a better set up. their wage bill per litre must be horrific

 

[dannewhouse]

There are GPs that regularly do 11+ hour days seeing 30+ patients a day a small mistake with any of them could result in a career ending tribunal or worse, plenty of other front line NHS staff at breakiing point hours/mental capacity wise. I dont think some people realise how tough other jobs are ahow little job security a massive % of the population are experiencing. There is no mention of a wage on that advert, they could be offering 12-14£/h for someone with very little qualifications but with a good work ethic and wiliness to learn.

Admittedly i wouldnt want to do the hours advertised for someone else but i always knew i would eventually be doing them for myself so didnt mind grafting for others aslong as i was learning and felt like i was being paid fairly.

but not for 6 days a week every week, there would be some sort of shift pattern.

job security is a funny one, I don't know if you can claim NHS is any more or less secure than a dairy farm...

 

[Scholsey]

but not for 6 days a week every week, there would be some sort of shift pattern.

job security is a funny one, I don't know if you can claim NHS is any more or less secure than a dairy farm...

No one is forcing someone to do that job, there’s a lot of people working in retail/construction/civil service sectors on short term/zero hour contracts.

I don’t see what the problem is with the job advertised, if you don’t want it don’t apply for it but don’t have a dig behind someone’s back as they have done nothing wrong.

 

[Zippy768]

Certainly not for me but I don't think it is THAT bad. 11 hour day. I prob do 10 normal (slightly shorter this time of year, longer in summer) tho weekends are basic and minimal (except summer weather dependent). If it offers a house and a good wage it would suit someone - they don't have to do it forever. Maybe a mid week afternoon off shoved in as well would be better.

 

[wasted years]

Certainly not for me but I don't think it is THAT bad. 11 hour day. I prob do 10 normal (slightly shorter this time of year, longer in summer) tho weekends are basic and minimal (except summer weather dependent). If it offers a house and a good wage it would suit someone - they don't have to do it forever. Maybe a mid week afternoon off shoved in as well would be better.

It isn't an 11 hr day though, you may as well be at the farm in the gap between 12;30 and 15;15, what are you going to do in that gap other than hang around looking at your watch.
I suppose it is along time since I was an employee so I'm not used to sitting around during the day but it just seems that as the employee, your life would be completely given over to your employer.

 

[Zippy768]

It isn't an 11 hr day though, you may as well be at the farm in the gap between 12;30 and 15;15, what are you going to do in that gap other than hang around looking at your watch.
I suppose it is along time since I was an employee so I'm not used to sitting around during the day but it just seems that as the employee, your life would be completely given over to your employer.

Assuming house is on site so commute is non existent (if there is no house or off site then that is bullsh!t) then plenty to do. All life chores and admin to be done to free up the day off, may be a young family to hang out with. Some will knap to free up evenings
I admit the employer cannot expect the applicant to stay long term. Would suit someone. House and good wage for 3/4 years, would set someone up.

 

[dannewhouse]

No one is forcing someone to do that job, there’s a lot of people working in retail/construction/civil service sectors on short term/zero hour contracts.

I don’t see what the problem is with the job advertised, if you don’t want it don’t apply for it but don’t have a dig behind someone’s back as they have done nothing wrong.

im not nocking either the dairy or nhs job, I have just taken on a similar dairy job but only weekends, going in with my eyes open, I know what im in for …

claiming the nhs worker is doing the same though I disagree with as they will have more time off, yes they work long shifts but have plenty off and yes they have night shifts sometimes but same again they have days off, more than 1 per week. I know a few nurses that are mates partners, can be painful organising a night out with us all …

I wouldn't want to be a nurse and they probably wouldn't want to milk cows so each to their own.

 

[Scholsey]

im not nocking either the dairy or nhs job, I have just taken on a similar dairy job but only weekends, going in with my eyes open, I know what im in for …

claiming the nhs worker is doing the same though I disagree with as they will have more time off, yes they work long shifts but have plenty off and yes they have night shifts sometimes but same again they have days off, more than 1 per week. I know a few nurses that are mates partners, can be painful organising a night out with us all …

I wouldn't want to be a nurse and they probably wouldn't want to milk cows so each to their own.

I am not disputing that some NHS staff dont have days off but they can work long days, its been the day length thats been questioned not days off, and whether you like it or not the job of a surgeon, nurse, midwife, duty doctor, GP etc is slightly more taxing than slapping a few units on and scraping up.

 

[Happy at it]

@Lucy B

 

[multi power]

It isn't an 11 hr day though, you may as well be at the farm in the gap between 12;30 and 15;15, what are you going to do in that gap other than hang around looking at your watch.
I suppose it is along time since I was an employee so I'm not used to sitting around during the day but it just seems that as the employee, your life would be completely given over to your employer.

Go in for lunch, shag the wife and then play with the kids

 

[vantage]

Go in for lunch, shag the wife and then play with the kids

What are you going to do with the other 2 hours ,43 minutes?

 

[The Agrarian]

It might say six days a week, but there must be minimim 5.6 weeks holidays in there by law.