Skills Shortage Will This Story Ever End?

oil barron

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chartered "CEng" is completely different from having done a masters "MEng". to get CEng you need a relevant BSc, BEng, MSc or MEng to start with, then appropriate experience/learning/courses with proof of experience kept in a logbook, then the appropriate instition e.g. IMechE, IET etc. will grant you CEng status, usually after an interview.

MEng is however beneficial as otherwise you need to demonstrate MEng level learning as the first part of the progression.
There are some Proffesions where it is a requirement for an engineer of chartered status to sign of on designs and permit submitals. I think mostly in the civil world. Although any deepwater well drilled in the Gulf of Mexico requires a chartered engineer to sign off on the casing design now as well.
 

dave mountain

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There are some Proffesions where it is a requirement for an engineer of chartered status to sign of on designs and permit submitals. I think mostly in the civil world. Although any deepwater well drilled in the Gulf of Mexico requires a chartered engineer to sign off on the casing design now as well.
im surprised that isnt the case for all types of drilling after deepwater horizon
 

JP1

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There's skills, there's aptitude and there's approach / attitude. I find it very sad that there's just not the good local man in the village coming through in following generations who can mend things, maintain things, drive wagons on local work be that livestock or whatever. It's a great shame. How did we ever arrive here? They're still around in Eire , in Germany, in France even in Holland where they tend to streamline things
 
Misuse of the term "engineer" is one of my pet hates. If you want to hear some pretty choice words all you have to do is sit in an office with a bunch of design engineers and production engineers when one of the admin staff uses the phrase "photocopier repair engineer".

If someone can turn up and fix a machine then he is, in my view, an 'engineer'.

I would not look down on someone who wasn't chartered or had a PhD or the like. Perhaps if people stopped adopting attitudes like this then people would be less reluctant to enter roles fixing things (which is a near essential service in society today) and be 'engineers'.

I have heard new graduates complain bitterly they have worked hard to study engineering but they find getting an actual job in the intended career difficult. Make what you will of that.
 

JP1

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If someone can turn up and fix a machine then he is, in my view, an 'engineer'.

I would not look down on someone who wasn't chartered or had a PhD or the like. Perhaps if people stopped adopting attitudes like this then people would be less reluctant to enter roles fixing things (which is a near essential service in society today) and be 'engineers'.

I have heard new graduates complain bitterly they have worked hard to study engineering but they find getting an actual job in the intended career difficult. Make what you will of that.
My best mate (oldest mate) from scholl did an MSc in Production Engineering. He Father before him worked in the machine tool trade in management

In the end Steve retrianed as an accountant and now works as an FD in an engineering company

In Germany there are far fewer accountant trained managers in industry and many more engineers (of all disciplines) . Says a lot
 

Ffermer Bach

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If someone can turn up and fix a machine then he is, in my view, an 'engineer'.

I would not look down on someone who wasn't chartered or had a PhD or the like. Perhaps if people stopped adopting attitudes like this then people would be less reluctant to enter roles fixing things (which is a near essential service in society today) and be 'engineers'.

I have heard new graduates complain bitterly they have worked hard to study engineering but they find getting an actual job in the intended career difficult. Make what you will of that.
I trained as a Technician Engineer, I am not an Engineer as I don't have a Masters (or Chartered status) and I would never dream of calling myself an Engineer. If someone can repair a machine, they are either a Craftsman or Engineering Technician.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
If someone can turn up and fix a machine then he is, in my view, an 'engineer'.

I would not look down on someone who wasn't chartered or had a PhD or the like. Perhaps if people stopped adopting attitudes like this then people would be less reluctant to enter roles fixing things (which is a near essential service in society today) and be 'engineers'.

I have heard new graduates complain bitterly they have worked hard to study engineering but they find getting an actual job in the intended career difficult. Make what you will of that.
I might add, if a fertliser salesman can turn up and say, you need 2 cwt/acre of 20:10:10, maybe he is an agronomist then?
 
I might add, if a fertliser salesman can turn up and say, you need 2 cwt/acre of 20:10:10, maybe he is an agronomist then?

I was an agronomist and didn't really do much in the way of fertiliser recommendations if you compared it to how the remainder of my time was spent.

BASIS and FACTs are two different things, and to be fair, there was virtually no crop nutrition in my BASIS training from memory.

There are of course, people out there who are BASIS trained who do not do much or even any actual agronomy. It doesn't hurt to have it as it gives you insight into what growers are considering and thinking.

I still think we should not be looking down on professions where a high level certificate is not needed as it will only serve to discourage our young people from ever even giving them a try.
 

Hilly

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My best mate (oldest mate) from scholl did an MSc in Production Engineering. He Father before him worked in the machine tool trade in management

In the end Steve retrianed as an accountant and now works as an FD in an engineering company

In Germany there are far fewer accountant trained managers in industry and many more engineers (of all disciplines) . Says a lot
Says nothing really , Germans dish out title engineer like confetti , and their engineering is very poor these days , German cars for instance , ask British mechanics about German engines today .
 
My best mate (oldest mate) from scholl did an MSc in Production Engineering. He Father before him worked in the machine tool trade in management

In the end Steve retrianed as an accountant and now works as an FD in an engineering company

In Germany there are far fewer accountant trained managers in industry and many more engineers (of all disciplines) . Says a lot

As I understand it, on the continent they have more focus on recruiting people and training them over many years, in all trades or disciplines.
 

Hilly

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My late father used to dictate letter every month to training board asking them to Amend their ways or see will end up short of trades people and very poor quality of trained trades , fast forward …….. he was right, they rather send the youth to university to learn zippo .
 

Lincoln75

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I was wondering about that, haven't seen much about the horrific driver shortage that was going to the destroy the country, for a few days. Did it suddenly fix itself?
Bizarrely there is a driver shortage in France, Germany and the U.S , not sure why , maybe alien abduction?
 

Lincoln75

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My late father used to dictate letter every month to training board asking them to Amend their ways or see will end up short of trades people and very poor quality of trained trades , fast forward …….. he was right, they rather send the youth to university to learn zippo .
What qualifications do you think the British designers of current aircraft , cars, trucks and tractors etc etc have ? :rolleyes:
 

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