Slaughter codes for halal

[Highland Mule]

I wondered how long it would take for someone to drag the debate down to a personal sniping level.
Don't throw the libtard "islamaphobia" at me and use pathetic examples to prove what is clearly a misguided point of view. It has bugger all to do with what my opinion is of religion. It's all about animal welfare. You know F**K all about me so let's keep this civil and please try to resist your primitive verbal instincts.

I think you’re confusing liberalism with a desire for factual accuracy and avoidance of emotion. FWIW, I’m as right wing as you can get, politically, and would never be called a liberal by anyone who knew me. I am a pedant though, which drives me to make the points I do.

As for personalisation, if you took it as such then I apologise - please replace all the “you should” with “one should”, and take it in the manner it was intended. As you write, I know nothing about you as a person, including how you can use the F word and then ask me to be civil.

Please also have a look at my post 74 and then come back here and justify campaigning against Halal, on the grounds of animal welfare.

 

[Lindell]

I think you’re confusing liberalism with a desire for factual accuracy and avoidance of emotion. FWIW, I’m as right wing as you can get, politically, and would never be called a liberal by anyone who knew me. I am a pedant though, which drives me to make the points I do.

As for personalisation, if you took it as such then I apologise - please replace all the “you should” with “one should”, and take it in the manner it was intended. As you write, I know nothing about you as a person, including how you can use the F word and then ask me to be civil.

Please also have a look at my post 74 and then come back here and justify campaigning against Halal, on the grounds of animal welfare.

Thank you for the Venn diagram, it shows that 20% ? of Halal is non stun and 100% of Kosher is non stun. I don't care one jot what religion someone practices in this country except when it affects animal welfare.
However , animal welfare is affected by 20% of Halal slaughter and 100% of Kosher slaughter. Is that correct ?

 

[Highland Mule]

Pretty much, if you consider “affecting animal welfare” in the same way as the Veterinary Association (as I do). So, should we object to Halal (~80% of which is “humane”), Kosher (100% of which is inhumane, but wouldn’t stop the ~20% of Halal which is inhumane, nor the small amount of non-religious “non-stun at home) or just (to quote) “not care one jot about religion” and object to all non-stun slaughter?

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Do these animals look stunned to you ????

Disgraceful...glad 90% of mine go deadweight

 

[The_Swede]

Why the obfuscation - if for whatever reason folks are in favour of that depicted previously just say - we are all entitled to our opinions.

I would however add that all credible scientific research finds in favour of effective pre-slaughter stunning on welfare grounds... it really is that simple.

 

[Sandyqqq]

As has been pointed out before, the list will probably only tell you if it's halal, not necessarily unstunned halal (very much in the minority).

What people are not aware of is when you are told that the halal meat has been stunned the stun is a recoverable which means the animal once strung up recovers consciousness and dies in terror and extreme pain. To qualify as halal the animal must be conscious when it’s throat is cut or it is not halal.

 

[Highland Mule]

What people are not aware of is when you are told that the halal meat has been stunned the stun is a recoverable which means the animal once strung up recovers consciousness and dies in terror and extreme pain. To qualify as halal the animal must be conscious when it’s throat is cut or it is not halal.

That’s bollox. The animal must be alive. You really are a one trick pony spreading these lies @Sandyqqq. Why not try and educate yourself before you come back here.

Oh, and maybe have a bit of research done into other forms of slaughter too?

 

[Sandyqqq]

They maybe have,but we have to eat the hind quarters ,I think it's only fair that meat should be labelled we all then have a choice.By hiding it they are saying the public do care and won't buy it proving a point .

I do not wish to eat meat that has not been stunned before slaughter. By stunned I mean fully stunned unconscious or brain dead before having its throat cut. The recoverable stun the Muslims use is because to qualify as halal the animal must be conscious when it’s throat is cut. A lot of this meat enters the food chain unlabelled as it is excess to Muslim requirements and we are told it is stunned. A light stun that does not kill the animal or render it brain dead is very cruel. Religious slaughter has an exemption from British high animal welfare laws.

Absolute rubbish. Electric stunning, by law, must render the animal insensible to pain until death.

 

[Highland Mule]

I do not wish to eat meat that has not been stunned before slaughter. By stunned I mean fully stunned unconscious or brain dead before having its throat cut. The recoverable stun the Muslims use is because to qualify as halal the animal must be conscious when it’s throat is cut. A lot of this meat enters the food chain unlabelled as it is excess to Muslim requirements and we are told it is stunned. A light stun that does not kill the animal or render it brain dead is very cruel. Religious slaughter has an exemption from British high animal welfare laws.

STOP SPREADING LIES!!

 

[Sandyqqq]

I do not wish to eat meat that has not been stunned before slaughter. By stunned I mean fully stunned unconscious or brain dead before having its throat cut. The recoverable stun the Muslims use is because to qualify as halal the animal must be conscious when it’s throat is cut. A lot of this meat enters the food chain unlabelled as it is excess to Muslim requirements and we are told it is stunned. A light stun that does not kill the animal or render it brain dead is very cruel. Religious slaughter has an exemption from British high animal welfare laws.

It is legal for Muslims to kill animals while they are conscious in a registered slaughterhouse.

 

[Highland Mule]

It is legal for Muslims to kill animals while they are conscious in a registered slaughterhouse.

You really are fixated by Muslims, aren’t you? Any thoughts on other religions?

 

[Sandyqqq]

That’s bollox. The animal must be alive. You really are a one trick pony spreading these lies @Sandyqqq. Why not try and educate yourself before you come back here.

I say again,
The stun used for halal is the problem,the stun used for halal meat is a reversible stun,to qualify for halal the animal has to be conscious when its throat is cut. Cruel,barbaric, medieval and no place in modern times .We have available a full stun that renders the animal unconscious or brain dead before its throat is cut. The exemption for religious slaughter should be rescinded. The British Veterinary Association says the exemption should end because religious slaughter is cruel

Oh, and maybe have a bit of research done into other forms of slaughter too?

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Why do all these videos keep getting exposed at halal abattoirs where they're just slashing at the lambs throats and not stunning them then?

You really are fixated by Muslims, aren’t you? Any thoughts on other religions?

no I do not have a fixation on Muslims, I love all people of all races that are kind, I believe all meat religiously slaughterd should be killed humanly. The point is it is clear that for instance for meat to qualify as Kosher the animal is not stunned at all, it should be banned because it is cruel. The meat industry are telling us that a high proportion of Halal meat is stunned, this is misleading because to qualify as Halal the animal has to be conscious when its throat is cut and a recoverable stun is used! I believe an animal should be fully stunned. I don’t know of any other religions that our government give an exemption to other than these two religions! Do you?

 

[Highland Mule]

You’re confused and are either deliberately spreading lies or have been fed a bunch of lies and don’t know what’s what. Stun slaughter is recoverable stun, but is not recovered stun. Barring errors or the likes, the animal is unconscious at the point of death and any suggestion of the norm being otherwise is simply untrue.

 

[Sandyqqq]

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Highland mule
no I do not have a fixation on Muslims, I love all people of all races that are kind, I believe all meat religiously slaughterd should be killed humanly. The point is it is clear that for instance for meat to qualify as Kosher the animal is not stunned at all, it should be banned because it is cruel. The meat industry are telling us that a high proportion of Halal meat is stunned, this is misleading because to qualify as Halal the animal has to be conscious when its throat is cut and a recoverable stun is used! I believe an animal should be fully stunned. I don’t know of any other religions that our government give an exemption to other than these two religions! Do you?

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Highland mule
no I do not have a fixation on Muslims, I love all people of all races that are kind, I believe all meat religiously slaughterd should be killed humanly. The point is it is clear that for instance for meat to qualify as Kosher the animal is not stunned at all, it should be banned because it is cruel. The meat industry are telling us that a high proportion of Halal meat is stunned, this is misleading because to qualify as Halal the animal has to be conscious when its throat is cut and a recoverable stun is used! I believe an animal should be fully stunned. I don’t know of any other religions that our government give an exemption to other than these two religions! Do you?

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no I do not have a fixation on Muslims, I love all people of all races that are kind, I believe all meat religiously slaughterd should be killed humanly. The point is it is clear that for instance for meat to qualify as Kosher the animal is not stunned at all, it should be banned because it is cruel. The meat industry are telling us that a high proportion of Halal meat is stunned, this is misleading because to qualify as Halal the animal has to be conscious when its throat is cut and a recoverable stun is used! I believe an animal should be fully stunned. I don’t know of any other religions that our government give an exemption to other than these two religions! Do you?

Fully stunned means means unconscious or brain dead as in captive bolt stunning, the animal no longer able to experience fear and pain, the heart still beating so that it bleeds out when its throat is cut.

 

[Sandyqqq]

Absolute rubbish. Electric stunning, by law, must render the animal insensible to pain until death.

Certain religions have an exemption under UK law so you are incorrect! Check on the U.K.gov site!

 

[Lindell]

No use arguing...@Highland Mule has cull ewes to sell, and we all know where they end up.

 

[Sandyqqq]

No use arguing...@Highland Mule has cull ewes to sell, and we all know where they end up.

Thank you Lindell, that explains a lot x

 

[Highland Mule]

No use arguing...@Highland Mule has cull ewes to sell, and we all know where they end up.

Haven’t sold a cull ewe in a year and intend to put all future into mutton for my own private customers, so the economics make no difference to me, I’m afraid. I’m against no stun slaughter and would prefer if it didn’t happen, but am also a fan of accuracy and hate disingenuous comments/ canpaigns. If you stick to the truth, I’ll happily support your arguments.

 

[Nithsdale]

@Highland Mule why argue with someone who has been a member for 2 whole months, but all they've done is 'contrubute' to 1 thread which they had to dig up which was 2 years old?..


Don't feed the trolls.

You can't educate the stupid.

 

[Highland Mule]

@Sandyqqq, @Lindell

@Highland Mule why argue with someone who has been a member for 2 whole months, but all they've done is 'contrubute' to 1 thread which they had to dig up which was 2 years old?..


Don't feed the trolls.

You can't educate the stupid.

I know I shouldn’t, but misunderstanding of cultures and encouraging religious intolerance is one step further down the track towards societal division. Lies like this should always be challenged, because of they’re not they will be read by someone like the NZ shooter and be used as a justification for the next hate crime. We need fewer walls and divisions in life, not more.