Slaughter codes for halal

J Cookson

Member
Many pigs are now Gassed as it is considred the most humane stun method that also ensures they do not cannot regain conciousness during post sticking. Some use the dry tong electrical head only stun which does not have the best Animal Welfare record (as is used for sheep because it ensuress the animal does not die before sticking).
There had been an argument that an animal with a beating heart helps drain blood from the carcass but this has been scientifically disproved so no longer a genuine argument.

Indeed the Jarvis Box when used for Cattle stunning has 2 agendas... Stun or Kill (Head only Stun for religious slaughter to ensure the animal is alive or electrocution Head/Chest which induces cardiac arrest and kills the animal which is unsuitable for Religious Slaughter so when the term Stun is used more clarity is required because it is being used to deflect the actual method of stun hence why people have Animal Welfare concerns regarding all Stuns. Misuse of the word stun is the problem that many have started to see through and why farming needs to consider all consumers rather than being selective for the minority groups in the UK. Honesty through labelling is the answer.
 

J Cookson

Member
Some UK Farmers have realised the need for honesty and clarity about the production of the Meat and the methods of Slaughter used and this includes as to whether any Religious Slaughter methods (Pre-Stunned or not) were used.

I use a company called Lamb2Ewe simply because of their honesty and openess.

https://lamb2ewe.co.uk

They clearly advertise all the essential information on their website including whether Religious Slaughter was used (which they clearly do not use). They added that information after consultations with consumers as they were initially reluctant to disclose on their web site because they didn't want to be labelled. They saw demand was there and tapped into that market so now consumers can have quality Lamb/Beef & Poultry without Religious Slaughter methodology, full traceabilty and accountability which is what consumers wanted. Their business is starting to thrive and they are expanding (into Beef & Poultry) with Animal Welfare first and foremost, followed by quality and locality.

You can speak with them this weekend as they are at the Honley Show 8 Jun 2019:
https://honleyshow.co.uk/

Then businesses such as buyacow.uk also added the details of the fact no Religious Slaughter has been conducted (whether Pre-Stunned or not). But the question has to be asked why are many meat retailers afraid of informing their customers of the information they need as a consumer. Those who don't want to discuss questions or provide answers very usually have something to hide and this is where the trust issue comes into play. Loss of trust in the industry is a massive key factor affecting many Farmers/Butchers/Retailers and even Restaurants etc. This results in loss of revenue and cause long term affects to demands for good quality products.

But when abttoirs become Religiously Certified there is no differentiating between what is Religious Slaughtered and what isn't. The approval Code is the same. The only difference is the segregation post slaughter where businesses lawfully and legally can simply tell consumers it is not Halal or Kosher when they want to pass it of to consumers not of those religions. What cannot and does not change is the method of slaughter used and whether it was conducted to meet the needs of Religious Slaughter. Many abattoirs conduct a single method of slaughter because they can't afford separate Slaughter Lines or time spent with intense washdowns and steralisation processes so they process Slaughter to the same standard, the same standard that allows them to sell Religious Slaughtered Meat to consumers who want a certificate pure and simple.

People need honesty and clarity which labelling should allow consumers to have an informed choice.
 

J Cookson

Member
Read Page 141
Extract:
The meat derived from kosher and halal slaughter is not only sold at markets specifically serving religious target groups, but also at conventional food markets. One reason is that the entire or part of the carcass may be rejected due to religious prescriptions. Another reason is related to the limited purchasing power of some consumers of meat derived from religious slaughter. Their consumption pattern is often oriented more towards the most affordable part of the carcass, leaving expensive parts for conventional consumption. Some meat processors tend to systematically avoid prior stunning in order to ensure that they can react on changes in demand for both religious and non-religious markets.
Source:
https://ec.europa.eu/food/sites/foo..._labelling_feasibility_study_report_part1.pdf
 

J Cookson

Member
Kosher is no different
Mr Lipowicz said: "Labelling meat could lead to resentment in the non-kosher market where most of it is sold.

"People will stop buying it. If there is a backlash against the abattoirs, we could lose everything, which means no shechitah. If 70 per cent of the animal is not used, it could double the price of kosher meat. I feel there is latent antisemitism here and we have to fight it.

Source:
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/eu-labels-threat-to-kosher-prices-1.18127
 

nelly55

Member
Location
Yorkshire
Am I reading this right,because the consumer may not want 70% of the meat because they don’t agree with the slaughter method or have their own religious reasons ,thus causing the 30% to become expensive ,the excuse is we antisemitism so we must eat this meat or be accused.The worlds gone mad,where is freedom of choice put a damn label on the packet and let the consumer decide.
 

J Cookson

Member
That is exactly what it is saying. Because they don't eat the rear half of the animal (anything past the 12th rib or so) this is the meat that gets past onto the UK Meat Market as unlabelled unstunned Meat and they expect the non-Jewish consumers to eat the parts they reject because of their religious beliefs to help reduce their costs!! It has been going on for ages and this is why people have started to say enough is enough!!
But for them to argue against honest labelling by playing the Anti-Semetism Card is a joke but guess what it works because this Government and the EU always cave in to them because they don't want that card thrown at them.
And even both claimed it would stigmatise Halal or Kosher food hence the Islamophobic Card being played aswell!!

Hence why in 2014 our UK Parliament voted against Labelling such meat/poultry!

But why can't Musilms and Jews have meat processed for themselves ONLY for themselves as per DEFRA Legislation which states they can have meat slaughtered for themselves as long it is INTENDED for Consumption of Muslims and Jews? Why is it being over-produced and forced onto the mainstream meat markets for ALL consumers without adequate labelling?
 

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
Am I reading this right,because the consumer may not want 70% of the meat because they don’t agree with the slaughter method or have their own religious reasons ,thus causing the 30% to become expensive ,the excuse is we antisemitism so we must eat this meat or be accused.The worlds gone mad,where is freedom of choice put a damn label on the packet and let the consumer decide.
The UK has gone mad not the world and they wonder why we protested with our brexit leave vote.
 

J Cookson

Member
DEFRA - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter

You must stun all animals before you slaughter them unless an animal is being religiously slaughtered for halal or kosher meat.

You must meet all of the following requirements for halal and kosher religious slaughter:

  • it must take place in a slaughterhouse (abattoir) approved by the Food Standards Agency (FSA)
  • it must be done by someone who has a certificate of competence (CoC)
  • the slaughter must be done in a way that follows Jewish or Islamic religious practice
  • the meat must be intended for consumption by Jews or Muslims
 
That is exactly what it is saying. Because they don't eat the rear half of the animal (anything past the 12th rib or so) this is the meat that gets past onto the UK Meat Market as unlabelled unstunned Meat and they expect the non-Jewish consumers to eat the parts they reject because of their religious beliefs to help reduce their costs!! It has been going on for ages and this is why people have started to say enough is enough!!
But for them to argue against honest labelling by playing the Anti-Semetism Card is a joke but guess what it works because this Government and the EU always cave in to them because they don't want that card thrown at them.
And even both claimed it would stigmatise Halal or Kosher food hence the Islamophobic Card being played aswell!!

Hence why in 2014 our UK Parliament voted against Labelling such meat/poultry!

But why can't Musilms and Jews have meat processed for themselves ONLY for themselves as per DEFRA Legislation which states they can have meat slaughtered for themselves as long it is INTENDED for Consumption of Muslims and Jews? Why is it being over-produced and forced onto the mainstream meat markets for ALL consumers without adequate labelling?
Reduce their costs???? You're having a laugh, they only eat the cheap bits. The higher value hinds are sold onto the Gentile market. Unlabeled as such.
 

J Cookson

Member
I use a company called Lamb2Ewe simply because of their honesty and openess.

https://lamb2ewe.co.uk

They clearly advertise all the essential information on their website including whether Religious Slaughter was used (which they clearly do not use). They added that information after consultations with consumers as they were initially reluctant to disclose on their web site because they didn't want to be labelled. They saw demand was there and tapped into that market so now consumers can have quality Lamb/Beef & Poultry without Religious Slaughter methodology, full traceabilty and accountability which is what consumers wanted. Their business is starting to thrive and they are expanding (into Beef & Poultry) with Animal Welfare first and foremost, followed by quality and locality.

You can speak with them this weekend as they are at the Honley Show 8 Jun 2019:
https://honleyshow.co.uk/

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J Cookson

Member
Reduce their costs???? You're having a laugh, they only eat the cheap bits. The higher value hinds are sold onto the Gentile market. Unlabeled as such.

But none the less this UNSTUNNED MEAT (because Kosher is always Unstunned) is passed on unlabelled to unsuspecting consumers to offset the cost of Kosher Beef for Jews. It has been claimed that there is a lack of Qualified Kosher Butchers with the skillsets to trim the Sciatic parts of the carcasss and that it had become non-cost effective to continue with their tradition hence they can't be bothered but why should they when that meat can be sold with telling people where it comes from or hpow it was slaughtered because current legislation does not enforce this information.

No abattoir or Meat Wholesaler is going to throw away the kosher remnants or put it into the pet food bins are they when profitability has to be maintained! It is labelling they are afraid of not legislation that tells them they can't pass it on...
 

J Cookson

Member
But you have to wonder about headlines like this because whether Farmers like it or maybe only 5% of the current UK population would be genuinely happy with this info. So when Burger King state they only use British Meat in their burgers (as do McDonalds), 95% or less (those who don't care where their meat comes from) may start to boycott buisinesses such as these reducing the demand for British Meat again! But notice one thing and this is clearly a concern for British Pig Farming also. Watch and pay attention to the number of Food outlets (Restaurants, Takeaways, Shops etc) are removing or replacing Pork products from their menus in order not to "contaminate" food in restaurants that would comply with either Halal or Kosher so not to offend those 5%! If things don't change there will be a massive demise for Britsh Pig Farmers because they didn't fight back or recognise there is a serious issue to be concerned with!
https://www.wnd.com/2015/12/forsakin-bacon-burger-king-creates-halal-division/
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/bur...hey-will-follow-islamic-sharia-law-stop-them/
 
How come a MINORITY can change the rules of slaughtering our animals to suit religious beliefs.
Oh! perhaps it's because we don't give a toss about the lambs we rear as long as we get a better price.
 

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