Northeastfarmer
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Won’t be long before they are the majority
Slaughter codes for halal
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Minority have had more power than the majority
Awful PR for farmers. Trading standards should hammer farmers for sending them in and then it might stop.
The rules haven't changed much for the past few decades pure and simple. But those rules were applicable only to Un-Stunned Religiois Slaughter where it clearly states it must be INTENDED for consumption by Muslims & Jews. So how did Unlabelled Kosher etc get into the mainstream meat markets and no-one bat an eyelid about it, where where the inspectors checking this?
But now Religious Slaughter involving Pre-Stun has crept into the market, not for Humane reasons but for Money pure and simple. Maney cannot be made from 5% of the population where Religious Certification suddenly became a requirement. Those Certification costs would have had to be added to the meat trade supplying the 5% of the population which would have only added to the costs of that meat being consumed by the 5%. In reality that would have made their choice of food a little more expensive until someone thought 'how can we get everyone else to subsidise our choice of meat?' and voila Religious Certification was born. So they decided how they could generate more money to make profits from consumers not of the 5%? They then looked at accepting pre-stunning because EU and UK legislation stated everything had to be pre-stunned. This is where they learned they could lower amperage settings to ensure stuns did not kill animals and still be compliant with regulations because of existing Religious Freedoms for slaughtering animals without stun, surely a little stun would still be classed as a pre-stun but not unstunned? It was true and so Pre-Stun started to get accepted into Religious Certifications. But then purists got involved and came up with a cunning plane to reject automated throat cutting equipment and birds had to be manually slaughtered. Again this didn't please everyone because major poultry plants in the UK used Waterbath automated systems and had been for quite some time. To not accept this slaughter process would mean loss of revenue and so Religious Certification bodies split and came up with their own version accepting automated slaughter plants because these were the big plants (Cargills, Avara, Faccenda, 2 Sisters, JBS, BRF etc). But they added assurances that the slaughter had to be conducted by a sane Muslim, Islamic prayers had to recited at the time of slaughter, the animals had to face Mecca before its neck was cut open ensuring slaughter was conducted in accordance with Islamic rites. Many businesses bought into this believing it would open markets. But the killer punch is these customers will not buy from supermarkets and would rather trust their Muslim Butchers or concession counters sourcing meat/poultry from Muslim owned Abattoirs (This is exactly the same for Kosher).
But that Certification still has to be paid for but it will not be from Muslim/Jewish consumers. The businesses buying into Religious Certification pass those costs onto ALL their customers regardless of their own Religious Beliefs and this is what annoys many consumers. There are no buttons on the Cashiers Till that says remove costs of Religious Certification Fees are there? but the irony is that many of these businesses do not label their goods with Religious Certification logo because they know it will affect sales as consumers will look elsewhere but there is another catch and a get out of jail card for these meat producers. They can simply say the Meat/Poultry that has been subject to Religious Slaughter standards is not Halal/Kosher because the current laws allow them to do so and this is why they will never admit their meat was Religiously Slaughtered because they don't have to.
It's the same as to why restaurants claim their meat is not Halal/kosher using excuses such as it's because of the way they cook it or we can't separate it in the kitchen storage areas etc even though it was Religious Slaughtered.
The whole Religious Certification Scheme need a set standard which ALL Certification bodies accept and this should be prominently displayed on all products which were subject to Religious Slaughter. But they won't because the people who will not eat it need someone to eat it and that is the Non-Muslim/non-Jewish consumer as it pays for their Certifications and makes profits for them pure and simple!!
Northeastfarmer
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Well the ewe will be ear tagged
The farmer should be traced and fined and not allowed to send anything for slaughter till they’ve been scanned
Woolless
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In actual fact, the only offence which you could prosecute would be against the haulier for moving the ewe in late pregnancy.
Does anyone have a link to this story?
Northeastfarmer
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Which is a shame as it’s the farmer who is in the wrong
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Can I ask what your motivation is? You seem to have a single agenda, and I can’t work out what you expect as the outcome of posting here.
I have no motivation other than wanting to get to know the sentiments of Farmers / Farming coomunity on Religious Slaughter aspects and the impacts this is having on Farming on the whole. But also to show more and more people are aware of this and the animal welfare schemes allowing it such as Red Tractor etc. These people are appalled at the state of the British Meat Industry because of the lies and deceit over the past couple of decades and the problem is going to get worse. When the industry refuses to tell the truth the industry suffers and will continue to suffer and unless the Farmers/Farming community start to fight on behalf of the consumers for appropriate labelling of Meat detailimg the Method of Slaughter, Whether Religious Slaughter/or Religious Rites were used at the time of slaughter (as it is not all just about a prayer as many are led to believe and promulgate) then the Meat Industry will continue on it's demise and deservedly so. Farmers are fighting for survival consumers are fighting for the truth!! Is that so wrong?
You only have to see the facts of the rise of Veganism/Vegetarianism to see the effects this is causing and it is not about people being Bigots, Racists, Islamophobes or Far Righters as the left like to portray.
Remember the 95% not pander to 5% the Maths are simple!!
And then you read these stories which detracts from all the Hard work Farmers put in:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/abattoir-worker-poses-gory-picture-16436326
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/abattoir-worker-poses-gory-picture-16436326
Northeastfarmer
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Absolutely disgusting
The whole Halal and Kosher is purely barbaric and sadistic. But what farmers who export live cattle/sheep to Muslim Countries should understand is stories like this are doing nothing for UK Farmers. This Story is alleged to be about cattle exported from Aus... Warning this Guardian Report contains imagery of cruelty and slaughter...Absolutely disgusting
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/dec/12/cattle-abuse-gaza-video
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The whole Halal thing is not barbaric. For 85% of it, there’s no noticeable difference to the animals. For the other 15%, there’s no stun, which might make things a bit less pleasant, albeit my experience of home kill would suggest nothing significant.
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I won’t be watching that...thankfully I know where my cattle end up
Wow... a bit less pleasant!!!?
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I’ll thank you not to chop a quote half way through a sentence - that is very poor form.
To be certain, for my unstunned home kill, the act of slaughter was actually less stressful for the animal than walking upstairs into the top deck of my Ifor Williams would have been, far less the journey. Very clinical, very quick and the animal wouldn’t have known anything about it.
I don't need to 'chop' your words they were clearly explained in this comment too!! What I did was hghlight your sentiments of Unstunned slaughter which you belive was a 'little less pleasant!!'