Slurry Speading

[cider_eater]

On the road yesterday I saw a farmer spreading slurry nothing new! on clay grass land with huge tanker/s the store must be full, are you aloud to spread on NVZ area? would be giving the drains hell,.

 

[Werzle]

I have seen one place this winter pump gallons on frosted floodplain and roadside fields only to flood days later, it had flooded twice before the frost too .Its been very wet and most places are struggling with storage but we do ourselves no favours with blatent pollution. I think the EA ignore it half the time though.

 

[Agrispeed]

If you are organic you can spread year round in an NVZ, no more than 30cu.m/Ha in any one application and not in high risk area or just before/after rainfall though, or on frozen ground etc.

 

[som farmer]

EA is not ignoring it, we have found out, just had a 'referral' for spreading slurry in closed period, 10 jan, open period 15 jan, NVZ rules. All from a complaint of slurry on road, not, but caused by blocked council drain, which we can't clear, and they wont !

 

[Tarw Coch]

EA is not ignoring it, we have found out, just had a 'referral' for spreading slurry in closed period, 10 jan, open period 15 jan, NVZ rules. All from a complaint of slurry on road, not, but caused by blocked council drain, which we can't clear, and they wont !

You sure on 15th jan?
I’m sure it’s 1st feb now.

 

[Tarw Coch]

If you are organic you can spread year round in an NVZ, no more than 30cu.m/Ha in any one application and not in high risk area or just before/after rainfall though, or on frozen ground etc.

Does slurry on an organic farm not leach like non organic slurry then?
And for us non organic s in an NVZ, I’m sure we’re only supposed to spread a max of 1500 gal/acre in the first month.

Edit
Would that mean an organic farm doesn’t need to comply with the requirement to have 5 months storage?

 

[Sid]

If you are organic you can spread year round in an NVZ, no more than 30cu.m/Ha in any one application and not in high risk area or just before/after rainfall though, or on frozen ground etc.

Who told you that?
I have heard different to that on dates and utilisation.

 

[Agrispeed]

Who told you that?
I have heard different to that on dates and utilisation.

DEFRA and the Gov websites disagree with each other!

It seems like a way to invite the EA to come for an inspection and bend you over so I wouldn't recommend it anyway!

 

[betweenthelines]

Every livestock farmer needs to say they are just starting to convert to Organic, then

Mind you, that's typical of Organic farmers and their Holier-than-Thou, "my sh!t doesn't stink" attitude.

 

[Sid]

DEFRA and the Gov websites disagree with each other!

It seems like a way to invite the EA to come for an inspection and bend you over so I wouldn't recommend it anyway!

Where did you find the 2nd part? A link?

 

[Sid]

Every livestock farmer needs to say they are just starting to convert to Organic, then

Mind you, that's typical of Organic farmers and their Holier-than-Thou, "my sh!t doesn't stink" attitude.

That's the good part you cant just say that your converting.,you need actual proof .
Actually sh!t from cows not fed copious amounts of straights or by products doesn't smell as bad. I see slurry from these units giving off the same odour as from pigs and poultry.

 

[Headless chicken]

That's the good part you cant just say that your converting.,you need actual proof .
Actually sh!t from cows not fed copious amounts of straights or by products doesn't smell as bad. I see slurry from these units giving off the same odour as from pigs and poultry.

So what your actually saying is that nvz’s should only apply to those that produce over a certain amount of litres? Would the cut off point happen to be higher than your average by chance

 

[Sid]

So what your actually saying is that nvz’s should only apply to those that produce over a certain amount of litres? Would the cut off point happen to be higher than your average by chance

Sorry? Where did I state that?

What the antagonist betweenthelines said was that all organic farmers are holier than thou and their sh!t dont stink. But wants to join the collective for his benefit and bend the rules.
I pointed out that most intensive units slurry has a far greater odour than grass based systems.

Spreading manures in the closed period should be based on crop need and that varies on geographical location, height and system.
A crop 50ft above sea level in cornwall will need nutrients long before a crop 800ft up in Cumbria organic or conventional.

 

[Sid]

On the road yesterday I saw a farmer spreading slurry nothing new! on clay grass land with huge tanker/s the store must be full, are you aloud to spread on NVZ area? would be giving the drains hell,.

A call to the EA and they will help you with a get out of jail plan . And suggestions for the next year. Most inspectors are helpful.

 

[betweenthelines]

Sorry? Where did I state that?

What the antagonist betweenthelines said was that all organic farmers are holier than thou and their sh!t dont stink. But wants to join the collective for his benefit and bend the rules.
I pointed out that most intensive units slurry has a far greater odour than grass based systems.

Spreading manures in the closed period should be based on crop need and that varies on geographical location, height and system.
A crop 50ft above sea level in cornwall will need nutrients long before a crop 800ft up in Cumbria organic or conventional.

Not what I said at all Sid. I said that all Organic farmers have a "holier-than thou" attitude, which is proven every time you ask one why so called organic (that meaningless term again) food is better, and they go on about their methods being "better" for the environment/animal health and welfare/human health, insinuating that conventional farmers and farming is "bad" in various ways. All of which is totally unsupported by facts.

And then to reinforce my comment Sid, you make yet another ridiculous claim that so called organic animal waste doesn't smell as much. I didn't claim that your (cow) sh!t doesn't stink Sid, but you did! I am willing to accept your view on that as you are clearly a bulls**t expert!

 

[Tarw Coch]

Not what I said at all Sid. I said that all Organic farmers have a "holier-than thou" attitude, which is proven every time you ask one why so called organic (that meaningless term again) food is better, and they go on about their methods being "better" for the environment/animal health and welfare/human health, insinuating that conventional farmers and farming is "bad" in various ways. All of which is totally unsupported by facts.

And then to reinforce my comment Sid, you make yet another ridiculous claim that so called organic animal waste doesn't smell as much. I didn't claim that your (cow) sh!t doesn't stink Sid, but you did! I am willing to accept your view on that as you are clearly a bullpoo expert!

Are all organic farmers like that then?
I only know one well and he’s a first class hypocrite.

 

[Sid]

Oh dear in could explain things to you like you would a vegan but think it would be a waste of my time.
I will simply put you back on ignore

Not what I said at all Sid. I said that all Organic farmers have a "holier-than thou" attitude, which is proven every time you ask one why so called organic (that meaningless term again) food is better, and they go on about their methods being "better" for the environment/animal health and welfare/human health, insinuating that conventional farmers and farming is "bad" in various ways. All of which is totally unsupported by facts.

And then to reinforce my comment Sid, you make yet another ridiculous claim that so called organic animal waste doesn't smell as much. I didn't claim that your (cow) sh!t doesn't stink Sid, but you did! I am willing to accept your view on that as you are clearly a bullpoo expert!

 

[som farmer]

most organic farmers play by the rule book, but I suspect all of us know 1 that doesn't.

 

[Sid]

most farmers play by the rule book, but I suspect all of us know 1 that doesn't.

Edited ?

 

[Headless chicken]

Sorry? Where did I state that?

What the antagonist betweenthelines said was that all organic farmers are holier than thou and their sh!t dont stink. But wants to join the collective for his benefit and bend the rules.
I pointed out that most intensive units slurry has a far greater odour than grass based systems.

Spreading manures in the closed period should be based on crop need and that varies on geographical location, height and system.
A crop 50ft above sea level in cornwall will need nutrients long before a crop 800ft up in Cumbria organic or conventional.

I was referring to you statement where you said that

“Actually sh!t from cows not fed copious amounts of straights or by products doesn't smell as bad. I see slurry from these units giving off the same odour as from pigs and poultry.”

to me this is a suggestion that higher fielders are the issue. Ofcourse it’s possible I have the wrong end of the stick.

I would agree though that blanket nvz is inappropriate but a system that identifies what the crop requires is the most sensible system.