Slurry store

[dogglercowman1]

Planning permission granted for slurry store 3 yrs ago to be nvz compliant and also to be ready for slurry infrastructure grant....paying consultant to do all paperwork as dont want any cockups....at a cost of 5 grand ...need extra storage now but will prob be winter 25 before grant aided store is up and running.....to get grant need 6 months and roof and also need to resubmit planning as store now needs to be bigger and a roof that are not on my origional plans....been offered a tower in line with my origional consented tower and been smaller and no roof coming at a cost to me the same as the grant aided project....cannot make my mind up...any thoughts folks

 

[Bald Rick]

Don’t forget to get EA permission too … They are getting very keen now

 

[dogglercowman1]

The ea were happy with my consent 3 yrs ago and also we are not in an nvz

 

[dogglercowman1]

Thanks for the reply...do u know how i can move this topic so more folk can view it?

 

[Martyn]

Don’t forget to get EA permission too … They are getting very keen now

I’m looking at putting a tank for some slats within a shed, I don’t want to get involved with planning authority’s but want to be on the right side of EA, do you think I could invite them on farm without involving plannings etc

 

[Bald Rick]

Thanks for the reply...do u know how i can move this topic so more folk can view it?

Plenty of dairy boys will see your OP and comment if they can add anything

At the end of the day, it will come down to affordability and compliance. Not being in an NVZ doesn’t absolve you of having sufficient capacity with the right amount of freeboard and if I was you, I would plan my lagoon as though the farm were in an NVZ … simply because I think England will follow Wales & NI in to whole country legislation
Hence the requirement to cover the store. However, the flip side to that is getting sufficient liquid in to the store to get an adequate stir and homologise the slurry

 

[Bald Rick]

I’m looking at putting a tank for some slats within a shed, I don’t want to get involved with planning authority’s but want to be on the right side of EA, do you think I could invite them on farm without involving plannings etc

It’s an expensive route to go down because it’s basically a double floor but it does remove the weather.
Within an existing shed, I doubt planners need to be involved but EA will and may require a “witness” drain and structural engineer drawings for side loadings.

 

[frederick]

Planning permission granted for slurry store 3 yrs ago to be nvz compliant and also to be ready for slurry infrastructure grant....paying consultant to do all paperwork as dont want any cockups....at a cost of 5 grand ...need extra storage now but will prob be winter 25 before grant aided store is up and running.....to get grant need 6 months and roof and also need to resubmit planning as store now needs to be bigger and a roof that are not on my origional plans....been offered a tower in line with my origional consented tower and been smaller and no roof coming at a cost to me the same as the grant aided project....cannot make my mind up...any thoughts folks

What sort of slurry store. How big do you need. You mention tower if you already have planning anything up to 5000 cube should be a simple permitted development.

If spending the money not sure I would want to end up less than 6 months going forwards.
Is the tower you have been offered new or secondhand. If the saving is significant maybe worth considering but need to bear in mind how you would improve in the future if needed.

Was speaking to someone today and again the need for a separator popped up. Don't know what you bed on. What is happening is people can now store it so spread it better for crops needs. However spreading post 1st and 2nd cuts is resulting in increased risk of contamination as a fibrousy material is either remaining on the grass or being laid down in lines.
We have a separator and you have a product that wouldn't be a problem after 2 days with a trailing shoe.

 

[vantage]

homologise

Word of the day!
Probably the main downside of slats, got to take what goes in the tank, the only option is to add additional water.

 

[Martyn]

It’s an expensive route to go down because it’s basically a double floor but it does remove the weather.
Within an existing shed, I doubt planners need to be involved but EA will and may require a “witness” drain and structural engineer drawings for side loadings.

https://www.solway-precast.co.uk/downloads/1052013211657.pdf

Thinking it might be simplest to use something like these. Shed only has planning as general agri storage not livestock

 

[Bald Rick]

Word of the day!
Probably the main downside of slats, got to take what goes in the tank, the only option is to add additional water.

Too true. We have one lagoon that takes all the parlour washings so as liquid as it gets then use that to blast stuff in to the the other two but double handling

There must be a stirrer that’s good enough to move a slatted lagoon? Alternatively you build in a slalom system

 

[Bald Rick]

https://www.solway-precast.co.uk/downloads/1052013211657.pdf

Thinking it might be simplest to use something like these. Shed only has planning as general agri storage not livestock

I would have a little concern at sealing the joints?
Yeah planners get excited about livestock so the safe answer is to have a chat with them on a “I’m considering ….” basis if you know a friendly one

 

[vantage]

Too true. We have one lagoon that takes all the parlour washings so as liquid as it gets then use that to blast stuff in to the the other two but double handling

There must be a stirrer that’s good enough to move a slatted lagoon? Alternatively you build in a slalom system

My mate put a slalom system in for 300 cows. I shudder to think how much it would cost now the price of concrete has more than doubled since he built it. He did mention he was going to get a slurry auger to lift the slurry from one end of the tank, over the wall to create a flow gradient. Don’t know if he ever did.

 

[dogglercowman1]

What sort of slurry store. How big do you need. You mention tower if you already have planning anything up to 5000 cube should be a simple permitted development.

If spending the money not sure I would want to end up less than 6 months going forwards.
Is the tower you have been offered new or secondhand. If the saving is significant maybe worth considering but need to bear in mind how you would improve in the future if needed.

Was speaking to someone today and again the need for a separator popped up. Don't know what you bed on. What is happening is people can now store it so spread it better for crops needs. However spreading post 1st and 2nd cuts is resulting in increased risk of contamination as a fibrousy material is either remaining on the grass or being laid down in lines.
We have a separator and you have a product that wouldn't be a problem after 2 days with a trailing shoe.

The tower is 2300 cube and brand new and we have lots if issues with planning consents....took 18months to obtain the one we have

 

[Martyn]

My mate put a slalom system in for 300 cows. I shudder to think how much it would cost now the price of concrete has more than doubled since he built it. He did mention he was going to get a slurry auger to lift the slurry from one end of the tank, over the wall to create a flow gradient. Don’t know if he ever did.

Our tanks here I built my self out of concrete block and then pumped concrete in behind the concrete block and earth trench, we umbilical inlets up through in different places and can pump water right through it, very simple but works

 

[Boysground]

Nvz is effectively being replaced by farming rules for water. But definitely if you do any project make sure it is at least nvz compliant wether you are in nvz or not.

I am in round one of the grant, have had planning application in for over a year now and NE are trying their best to stop me doing anything, frankly the whole system is appalling. My planning authority have been told by them that the ammonia deposition on the local sssi will increase by 23% if i build a covered lagoon. The cow numbers will not change. Csf Ea both agree to me building it.

I have been reliably told that as of last week of the 300 applications approved for round one only 1 has had the cash and i think less than 10 have gone through the full approval process. I have another document to fill in by the end of the month and i am supposed to have planning when i send it in. There is not a hope of that.

My advice is if you can afford a lagoon that will get you close to legal without having a grant go for that. The approval process is terrible I wish I had never started it.

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[dogglercowman1]

Thats exactly what ive been hearing and i dont want to waste anymore time or money chasing a grant that may not even happen

 

[frederick]

The tower is 2300 cube and brand new and we have lots if issues with planning consents....took 18months to obtain the one we have

How big do you want. Not sure I would worry about upgrading your planning to much. A 2500tower is 24m across a 3500 tower is 28m across dont think anyone will ever notice

 

[Wesley]

https://www.solway-precast.co.uk/downloads/1052013211657.pdf

Thinking it might be simplest to use something like these. Shed only has planning as general agri storage not livestock

Have you priced them

 

[Wesley]

Planning permission granted for slurry store 3 yrs ago to be nvz compliant and also to be ready for slurry infrastructure grant

Does planning not elapse after 3 years if you’ve not broken ground? Guess it might depend where you are but I’m pretty sure its one of the conditions around here.