Smoking Policy

[Ley253]

Not true. Read this: https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/20/clearing-up-some-myths-around-e-cigarettes/

Mmmmm , well we have a bod here who is a "Vaper" and he is unapproachable most of the time due to the cloud of "exhaust" surrounding him!

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

@adzy

Terry

 

[Brisel]

Mmmmm , well we have a bod here who is a "Vaper" and he is unapproachable most of the time due to the cloud of "exhaust" surrounding him!

I didn't say it wasn't antisocial...

 

[TheTallGuy]

Yep, perfectly legal to discriminate against smokers.

M & S insist that all their food suppliers (eg Milk factories) are strictly no smoking on the premises. Don't know if the ban applies to non food suppliers but knowing M & S, I suspect it does.

Milk Link were the same, total smoking ban on their sites.

if you do allow smoking on your premises, you open yourself up to two potential issues.
1. Non smokers will complain about the amount of breaks smokers take
2. How do you know what they're smoking? At the least, they may well be smoking smuggled tobacco. More likely is that they're getting stoned. And if you've got 3 or more smoking weed, one of them will be dealing.

There's a difference between making your site non-smoking & denying someone a job because they smoke. That said, smoking is not a "protected characteristic" so it's legal to discriminate.

 

[adzy]

@adzy

Terry

Working for a company called CFT, we joke that the initials stand for Can't Find Terry because he's always outside having a fag!

 

[adzy]

@adzy

Terry

It does seem that the smoking policy where we work is: smokers can only smoke outside (in a dedicated place or their cars) but seem to be able to smoke whenever they want and with any frequency they wish whether that be in or outside of scheduled break times. That is until the non smokers kick up a fuss and the rules are tightened for a few weeks then things start to slacken and it all goes back to normal.

 

[Ley253]

It does seem that the smoking policy where we work is: smokers can only smoke outside (in a dedicated place or their cars) but seem to be able to smoke whenever they want and with any frequency they wish whether that be in or outside of scheduled break times. That is until the non smokers kick up a fuss and the rules are tightened for a few weeks then things start to slacken and it all goes back to normal.

Keep the fuss up then!

 

[Wurzeetoo]

Recently given up after another 6 month stint previously given up for 3 years the vape is great to give up but you need to massively lower the mg of nicotine in the liquid most liquids sold in petrol stations and the like are the equivalent of smoking 3 or 4 fags In one go. Maximum I used giving up from between 40/60 a day was 3mg and currently on 4th day of using 0mg liquid feels fine. Although back on subject even when I was a smoker I never dropped my butts or smoked indoors or vehicles smells rancid when it’s all stale

 

[Bullring]

Recently given up after another 6 month stint previously given up for 3 years the vape is great to give up but you need to massively lower the mg of nicotine in the liquid most liquids sold in petrol stations and the like are the equivalent of smoking 3 or 4 fags In one go. Maximum I used giving up from between 40/60 a day was 3mg and currently on 4th day of using 0mg liquid feels fine. Although back on subject even when I was a smoker I never dropped my butts or smoked indoors or vehicles smells rancid when it’s all stale

If you smoked 40-60 a day you must have been permenatly outside smoking if you didn't smoke indoors or in a vehicle.

 

[AgriBusiness Plans]

With quality healthcare becoming less reliable - we need to be way more honest about the fact that smokers are killing themselves and those around them. People have heard about lung cancer but do not realised large numbers of smokers have their lives ended on palliative care pathways as it is too expensive to ventilate them with CPAP for their COPD. These are often quite young men and women 50s/60s.

 

[Wurzeetoo]

used to work long hours often outside smoked in my first van as previous owner had but it stank as soon as I got a newer van I didn’t smoke in it at all. Always enjoyed going outside for a smoke especially wandering around late at night listening to the owls

 

[Dead Rabbits]

If we had some sort of smoking policy here we would hardly have any employees, 75% of them smoke. I mostly don’t care but it would be nice if the tractors didn’t get smoked in. There are more important issues to focus on though.

When I used to drive combines we had a strict no smoking policy because the dealer always tried to knock you on it and you couldn’t smell when the combine was on fire. The chain smoking South Africans would cry! The guy I worked for also made sure everyone collected their cigarette butts and threw them away.

 

[The Agrarian]

My one full-time employee smokes, and as long as it's not in a confined space with me, I pass little remark. He's been with me 15 years and he knows not to smoke in the hay shed, and stands down wind when near me. So for me, that's the end of it.

 

[JCMaloney]

We have "smoking shelters" on site for patients.....yes...those folk hooked up to oxygen etc drag themselves out for a fag.
Staff should be 500 metres off site and not wearing uniform.......... righty ho.

Pretty much un-enforcable

 

[Grassman247]

If we had some sort of smoking policy here we would hardly have any employees, 75% of them smoke. I mostly don’t care but it would be nice if the tractors didn’t get smoked in. There are more important issues to focus on though.

When I used to drive combines we had a strict no smoking policy because the dealer always tried to knock you on it and you couldn’t smell when the combine was on fire. The chain smoking South Africans would cry! The guy I worked for also made sure everyone collected their cigarette butts and threw them away.

I have to say though that I find non smoking employees tend to be cleaner and tidier than the smoking ones

 

[Ley253]

With quality healthcare becoming less reliable - we need to be way more honest about the fact that smokers are killing themselves and those around them. People have heard about lung cancer but do not realised large numbers of smokers have their lives ended on palliative care pathways as it is too expensive to ventilate them with CPAP for their COPD. These are often quite young men and women 50s/60s.

So true, and, sadly very close to home. My partner had been a heavy smoker for years, but did manage to stop.The damage caused remained though, years later, she had a stroke, recovered well, but the writing was on the wall. years later, she had to have surgery, that was the end, the copd she had developed after the stroke, left her with no reserves to use to recover.

 

[Ley253]

If we had some sort of smoking policy here we would hardly have any employees, 75% of them smoke. I mostly don’t care but it would be nice if the tractors didn’t get smoked in. There are more important issues to focus on though.

When I used to drive combines we had a strict no smoking policy because the dealer always tried to knock you on it and you couldn’t smell when the combine was on fire. The chain smoking South Africans would cry! The guy I worked for also made sure everyone collected their cigarette butts and threw them away.

I fear its only a matter of time before you end up in court. It is illegal to smoke in a workplace, and the tractors are considered work places. The excuse that "X" only drives it doesnt hold water, as it will be asked, who services it, and what happens when he is sick or on holiday? Several firms have had quite large fines imposed for allowing smoking in vans etc.

 

[Clive]

I was thinking about this thread over the weekend

do many people actually still smoke ? I know just one person these days (and he is trying to give up)

 

[Dead Rabbits]

I was thinking about this thread over the weekend

do many people actually still smoke ? I know just one person these days (and he is trying to give up)

It’s disproportionately concentrated in rural and poor areas over here. So in my world a lot of people smoke.

The progressives will have to be careful, discriminating against the poor with cigarette taxes and smoking bans. Naughty naughty

 

[Dead Rabbits]

I fear its only a matter of time before you end up in court. It is illegal to smoke in a workplace, and the tractors are considered work places. The excuse that "X" only drives it doesnt hold water, as it will be asked, who services it, and what happens when he is sick or on holiday? Several firms have had quite large fines imposed for allowing smoking in vans etc.

I remain unconcerned. As far as I am aware there aren’t any laws like that over here. If there were we would ignore them