Smoky Perkins

[Qman]

I had an Ursus with the A4.236 non turbo engine. Under light load and particularly on the over-run it had white smoke from new. It pulled like a train and started instantly and sounded perfect. I put it down to either a faulty valve in the DPA injector pump or a leaky thermostart in the manifold. Never could be bothered to find out precisely why it was overfuelling, but that was certainly the problem. Never used a drop of oil and you could smell the diesel in the air when it idled on a still day. It wasn’t an obnoxious smell like the normal exhaust of a tier3 common-rail Perkins.

Old Duck slags off John Deeres and admits to owning an Ursus and a Same.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Cowabunga]

Old Duck slags off John Deeres and admits to owning an Ursus and a Same.

Merry Christmas.

I’ve never slagged off John Deere. I’ve had three of them from new and only the 3050 was a bit troublesome with valve oil seals and synchromesh faulty from new and it repeatedly blew seals between spool valve slices. The 6200 was amazingly good for a brand new design from the ground up did 5000 very reliable and productive hours before I replaced it with the MF7490 which I still have and was out spreading dirty water with on Wednesday.
I think you may have been having nightmares. I find that cheese before bedtime is best avoided.

The Ursus was excellent by the way. Wish I’d kept it, but the two skid steer loaders that replaced it almost exactly 20 years ago now have 14,000 hours combined on their clocks. 7000 hours each averaged out.

 

[bill and bens dad]

Hes never wrong don't you know !! Im glad of the ignore feature

 

[Cowabunga]

Hes never wrong don't you know !! Im glad of the ignore feature

There’s never anything of substance to ignore in your posts of course, so I don’t even bother. Really can’t understand why you keep on making such a fool of yourself over and over again. I suppose it gives a few people a good laugh at your expense but I just have an outpouring of pity for you.
Have a happy Christmas.

 

[bill and bens dad]

There’s never anything of substance to ignore in your posts of course, so I don’t even bother. Really can’t understand why you keep on making such a fool of yourself over and over again. I suppose it gives a few people a good laugh at your expense but I just have an outpouring of pity for you.
Have a happy Christmas.

dream on ,have a happy Christmas, it is the season of goodwill even to you!you should really read what you write before you post, your the fool

 

[Cowabunga]

Dream on. Have a happy Christmas, it is the season of goodwill even to you! You should really read what you write before you post. You're the fool.

You have a faulty ‘ignore feature'!

 

[bill and bens dad]

lol

 

[Stock]

Can you two take it somewheres else and leave this and other threads alone. People come here to learn or assist persons in trouble not to read the bickering between you two...............................................................................

I’ve never slagged off John Deere. I’ve had three of them from new and only the 3050 was a bit troublesome with valve oil seals and synchromesh faulty from new and it repeatedly blew seals between spool valve slices. The 6200 was amazingly good for a brand new design from the ground up did 5000 very reliable and productive hours before I replaced it with the MF7490 which I still have and was out spreading dirty water with on Wednesday.
I think you may have been having nightmares. I find that cheese before bedtime is best avoided.

The Ursus was excellent by the way. Wish I’d kept it, but the two skid steer loaders that replaced it almost exactly 20 years ago now have 14,000 hours combined on their clocks. 7000 hours each averaged out.

Hes never wrong don't you know !! Im glad of the ignore feature

There’s never anything of substance to ignore in your posts of course, so I don’t even bother. Really can’t understand why you keep on making such a fool of yourself over and over again. I suppose it gives a few people a good laugh at your expense but I just have an outpouring of pity for you.
Have a happy Christmas.

dream on ,have a happy Christmas, it is the season of goodwill even to you!you should really read what you write before you post, your the fool

You have a faulty ‘ignore feature'!

lol

 

[Cowabunga]

Can you two take it somewheres else and leave this and other threads alone. People come here to learn or assist persons in trouble not to read the bickering between you two...............................................................................

Oh great. A huge long post copying the whole conversation in one great read. Thanks for summarising the whole lot in a foot long post. Great idea for someone who likes to poke their nose into and perpetuate stuff that is none of their business and where reading is optional. 10/10 for being yet another complete sh!t-stirring interfering tit.

 

[Qman]

They are green. Green is allegedly good for the planet and saves animals from extinction and seas from rising and coral from bleaching. Riding a bucking [or is that a *ucking?] Deere gives the driver a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside and the owner a constant reason to practice their BACS skills.

! - 0 to Qman..........Merry Christmas.

 

[Cowabunga]

! - 0 to Qman..........Merry Christmas.

That’s more a compliment and observation than anything. Or is saving the planet and giving drivers pleasure not a ‘good thing’ these days. The hint at repair cost is certainly a general and I think accurate observation I’ve made since the modern 20 series, which went backwards in reliability from previous generations.

 

[jpd]

just wondering
was that a genuine 236 fitted to the ursus
or the ursus copy of the 236?

 

[Cowabunga]

Genuine. Perkins always did use parts from various sources. My 590‘s 248 engine had an inlet manifold made and stamped by IMT for instance. Not sure where the main castings were manufactured, or indeed the cranks for that matter. Assembly? Don’t know. The badging and id numbers were identical to UK assembled tractors as far as i could tell, although there may have been some code I’m not aware of if, perchance, it was assembled overseas.
The gearbox, back and front axles, steering, everything about the tractor apart from the electrics, cab, an oil bath air cleaner and external services spool valves, were identical to a Coventry assembled tractor.

 

[sh40]

Hi everyone. This is interesting. My brother has a job teleported 520 50 (don't quote me on the exact model as I'm not a jcb expert) with the Perkins 1004 turbo engine in it.

After reading this I'm also beginning to think she has this problem with a stuck thermostat heater plug. White smoke a lot of the time when ticking over or when not under pressure. We did the pump and injectors 3 years ago thinking it was that but it never cited the smoke so we left it be as it works perfect but just smoked a bit. Air filters were new too.

How would you check if the heater is constantly dumping in diesel? Is it an easy thing to do yourself instead of getting a mechanic to it?

 

[ACEngineering]

Hi everyone. This is interesting. My brother has a job teleported 520 50 (don't quote me on the exact model as I'm not a jcb expert) with the Perkins 1004 turbo engine in it.

After reading this I'm also beginning to think she has this problem with a stuck thermostat heater plug. White smoke a lot of the time when ticking over or when not under pressure. We did the pump and injectors 3 years ago thinking it was that but it never cited the smoke so we left it be as it works perfect but just smoked a bit. Air filters were new too.

How would you check if the heater is constantly dumping in diesel? Is it an easy thing to do yourself instead of getting a mechanic to it?

just take it out, leave the fuel pipe connected only and pump the hand primer, if it dribbles out then it leaks.

 

[sh40]

just take it out, leave the fuel pipe connected only and pump the hand primer, if it dribbles out then it leaks.

Thanks and if it does leak is it an easy change for a new one? I presume diesel doesn't need to be bled?

 

[manhill]

Thanks and if it does leak is it an easy change for a new one? I presume diesel doesn't need to be bled?

It's separate from the injection system. As AC says, unscrew it, pump the lift pump and fuel should come out when 12v heats the element. If you do this, leaving the heater in position you might hear a pop when the fuel ignites. Do that first, saves unscrewing.

 

[aidan]

Well I had a look at mine over christmas, started with a good wash, and I see I have a leak in the exhaust manifold, I need a few new gaskets. I will fix that first before going further

@Stock