Nearly
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- North of York
Better buying off the arable folks who have left them in dry storage while skiing in December and January.
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michael N123
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GeorgeK
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- Location
- Leicestershire
How much is a new mid-range 200hp tractor of late? 100k?
- Location
- our house, Norn Iron
That's ok to a point, you go secondhand & save, if it works out, great.
If however you buy something that has a major breakdown, lets say in the middle of silage, it's 200+hp on a set of mowers, it's not something you can just pull the diet feeding tractor in to replace it with, you have a squad of men standing idle when it stops till you get something sorted, so you hire something in, pay for that, pay for the repair bill which these days on a tractor of that size needs a bottle of asprins with it.
It's kinda pay for warranty or pay repair bills, just whichever you feel happier with.
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Yet main dealers are full of new tractors broken down, like I said before as much luck involved as good management .
Zebbedee
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- Scotland in the best bit
That’s a bit more than 1000 hrs a year? I would always look for nice low hour secondhand tractors first but the last three tractors here were all new with 3 yr warranties, s/h values are too high and getting correct spec is not always easy,, anytime I looked at hire or lease etc I thought it was way too expensive.
So for @Bald Rick I think new is best option
Thats the key with most kit at the moment, second hand just to expensive
michael N123
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I no it’s not the same price range but it always pays to get quotes on new tackle but My mate just got a post knocker new off carrs cheaper than the second hand options he was looking at online
warksfarmer
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Buy used as you can have 2 decent used for 1 brand new.
Always bought used in the past.
However with our “big” tractor, we seem to be running in to repair issues now.
Had quotes on brand new, ex demo and hire.
Personally I struggle to see the value in hire as there is no equity but I can see peace of mind.
New allows us to tailor warranty whilst ex demo is cheaper but will only have 1 year of cover unless we buy third party cover
TBH there is no clear cut answer
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
That’s the answer everytime no clear path , end of the day just got to follow your own gut feeling as to what will suit yourself best .
Price of kit nowadays means everything is being kept longer so harder to find good second hand stuff imo.
- Location
- somerset
we have just changed our main tractor, 120 to a 140hp, costing went like this,
tractor bought and paid for,
need 2 new rear tyres
air con defunct
just been having a few 'minor electrical' faults, that are never minor, when the bill comes
correct amount of hours, 5250, for 2nd hand market
the depreciation in keeping it for a further year, was slightly more than the monthly payments on a new one
which was less than we paid anyway.
Throw in reliability, of a new tractor, that we rely on, we bit the bullet,
right or wrong, time will tell.
tractor bought and paid for,
need 2 new rear tyres
air con defunct
just been having a few 'minor electrical' faults, that are never minor, when the bill comes
correct amount of hours, 5250, for 2nd hand market
the depreciation in keeping it for a further year, was slightly more than the monthly payments on a new one
which was less than we paid anyway.
Throw in reliability, of a new tractor, that we rely on, we bit the bullet,
right or wrong, time will tell.
Speedstar
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
How have you found the running costs going from a JCB fastrac to a John Deere ?
Very similar. JD is better at mowing and power harrow due to increased grunt, Fastrac better at towing - which is its purpose I suppose
I think buying your prime mover tractor with 4-5000 hrs already on the clock is a mistake due to conitinual niggles that morph in to bigger problems. Swallowing the initial purchase price is flexing my sphincter
warksfarmer
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Yes hire prices have shot up a lot so it’s no longer viable. As for new prices I can’t get my head around them to be honest and I think you need to be doing 2000 hrs a year to justify it. At the end of the day if new is £150,000 then your paying back £170,000 or £34,000 a year over 5 years which for your 1000 hours is £34/hr before you fuel it, insure it, maintain it and put a driver on the seat.
I’d go second hand Puma cvx because if the gearbox went it’s about £5k to repair. If a JD or Fendt box goes it’s double that.
Id look at buying new, slightly bigger HP than needed so it's not working quite as hard. Get a decent warrenty agreement sorted, and aim to keep until around 8000 hours (unless something crops up, such as a decent incentive to trade earlier or problems.)
That way your getting more out of it than trading at 5-6k hours but have a bigger used market to sell to than at 10k+ hours.
That way your getting more out of it than trading at 5-6k hours but have a bigger used market to sell to than at 10k+ hours.
Zebbedee
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- Scotland in the best bit
I don’t get how people say you need to do x amount of hours per year to justify x y and z, to if you do less hours then you keep it longer comes to sam3 thing to me
Only McCormick dealer in N.Wales that is based on Anglesey has changed over to Case now so probably out of the question
You are the minority, almost every tractor has increased in value in the past few years it has nothing to do with what you are using it's the fact that new ones have got so expensive that second hand values had to rise to allow people to make the jump from second hands to new ones.
Electric spools are progress, you must not have used many if you think they are either on or off.
Auto steer, suspension, electronic engine management, cabs, cvt gearboxes.
Have all made the job quicker and easier.
Ive used them all from 100 series masseys up the to latest models.
Put 2000 hours a year on a big awkward dog of an 80s designed American tractor 40 years on and you would be fit to be in a mental home.
Always the same on this forum, if you asked where to get the best pint of larger on the Isle of Wight someone would start beating a drum about the cider in Scotland is better.
Electric spools are progress, you must not have used many if you think they are either on or off.
Auto steer, suspension, electronic engine management, cabs, cvt gearboxes.
Have all made the job quicker and easier.
Ive used them all from 100 series masseys up the to latest models.
Put 2000 hours a year on a big awkward dog of an 80s designed American tractor 40 years on and you would be fit to be in a mental home.
Always the same on this forum, if you asked where to get the best pint of larger on the Isle of Wight someone would start beating a drum about the cider in Scotland is better.