Snog, Marry, Avoid ....

Which Way?

  • Buy new

    Votes: 125 76.2%
  • Buy used

    Votes: 37 22.6%
  • 12-24 month hire

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    164

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
we can get a chap in, with tanker or big spreader, when we need him, £35 hour, that is cheaper than we can do it, sat on a tractor, all day, means we can't do something else, that probably is more important.
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Have you seen his jcb

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Looks fine to me...
 
Buy a Fendt may cost more to buy , warranty is second to none, second valve is the best there is, over all will be the cheapest tractor you ever own per hour of work & your driver will be happy.

Not true in my experience. They all cost the same. Buy cheaper sell cheaper. Buy expensive sell for more but you’ve paid more money out in the first place. Last Fendt we had lost £12/hour. That’s the original on farm price less the used value at 4 years old divided by hours. Doesn’t include any running cost, just straight depreciation. The main reason was its low annual hour use.
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
only time will tell if it was the right thing to do.

The 215 kept needing reprogramming every two days as it wanted to regen its DPF despite having had it stripped and cleaned (new one is 8k) and it was a direct drive …. Nuff said

Never bought new and don’t have an issue with a tractor that’s done 2000 hrs a year as any problems would have reared their heads (hopefully). Auto power and command arm and most importantly, 80% tyres all around plus all the stuff we need
 
The 215 kept needing reprogramming every two days as it wanted to regen its DPF despite having had it stripped and cleaned (new one is 8k) and it was a direct drive …. Nuff said

Never bought new and don’t have an issue with a tractor that’s done 2000 hrs a year as any problems would have reared their heads (hopefully). Auto power and command arm and most importantly, 80% tyres all around plus all the stuff we need
How did find direct drive on field work ?
 

Gerbert

Member
Location
Dutch biblebelt
30 series mannheim built onwards are bombproof and as good if not better as powrquad/autoquad.
They where introduced 14 years ago so it has been known for 10 ish years they are fine. So yeah you are right, if you count 10 years as not that many.
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
Yes hire prices have shot up a lot so it’s no longer viable. As for new prices I can’t get my head around them to be honest and I think you need to be doing 2000 hrs a year to justify it. At the end of the day if new is £150,000 then your paying back £170,000 or £34,000 a year over 5 years which for your 1000 hours is £34/hr before you fuel it, insure it, maintain it and put a driver on the seat.

I’d go second hand Puma cvx because if the gearbox went it’s about £5k to repair. If a JD or Fendt box goes it’s double that.
Its not worth nowt at 5yo/5000hrs though is it Lee? So it doesn't cost anywhere near that. 150k new will be maybe 80k at 5yo/5000hrs, so it's cost £70,000/5000hrs = £14/hr + fuel driver maintenance etc.
If one was to keep it another 5yrs, til it'd done 10,000hrs, then your £150k new tractor would probably be worth about £30k? So £120k/10,000hrs = £12/hr.

You can make figures tell you what you want to see I guess.
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Mf are having the same problem with there new 8s tractors, a circlip break's & that is it very poor job on a new tractor range but they are are untested so what can they expect

You’re bang on. There is no excuse for this unless they are just putting product out and letting customers find the faults.
IIRC, it was something a few car manufacturers were guilty of
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
For us, it depends on workload, drivers, and the jobs they do:

2018 200hp - bought mid 2020 with 1200hrs & remains of 3000hr/4yr warranty, which we'll extend if it's track record suggests its a good idea. Now on 2600hrs. drilling, landwork, fert, transport. Full time driver, not often driven by others. It was £58k less than a new one, in as new condition, from a home we had experience of. (It's predecessor had been new though)

2015 200hp New March 15, now on 7600hrs. Bought new, 6000hr 5yr warranty. Gearbox expired 10weeks & 400hrs from the end of warranty. Does important jobs like spud lifting. Landwork, baling. Two main drivers depending on time of year. Probably next to change. This one replaced a bag of hammers we bought new and kept mending it til 7yo when it tried to financially ruin me!

2015 180hp Bought s/h 2018 with 1500hrs & remains of 4yr/3000hr warranty. Its been absolutely faultless bar an alternator, pair of batteries and last month an exhaust temp sensor. 5200hrs now. Sprayer, planter, taty topper tractor. I drive it mostly. This one was the reason we bought the 2018 tractor, and it'll be here a good while yet. Replaced one bought new & run to 12000hrs/12yrs

2010 160hp bought in 2017 with 2700hrs to replace a 20yo 6000hr one that caught fire (Which had been 12yo/2000hrs when it came) Its now on 6500hrs, lovely to drive, communal cart tractor mostly. Not without fault (injectors are effin dear!) but not bad. Just put a set of tyres on it. Worth what I paid for it still.

2005 170hp bought spring 2019 with 10,000hrs, having spent 4000hrs sat on a slurry pump. Cheap extra backup tractor, now on 11,300hrs (it does more than I expected it would, mostly hedgecutting) We put brakes in it when it came and have done a few little jobs to keep it right, including a new seat. Don't plan to sell it anytime soon.

1994 90hp bought 2003 with 3600hrs, now on 11400 iirc. It does lesser jobs now, but still handy. Bit sentimental, it was the first one I bought, but its getting long in the tooth now at 27yo. Its value had dipped, but is now back to what I paid for it.

A few observations:

New, old, high or low hours, it matters not - if they are a dog at the start, they will remain a dog, get rid.

Do the small jobs before they become big ones

Back up tractors can save your season

Buy what you want and look after it

Bear in mind that warranty removes risk, but costs money in servicing - over time, on average, repairs seem to cost a pound an hour, servicing two quid an hour. Dealer service is soon a quid an hour in time alone, but you must pay it or warranty is invalid. We often start with 3yr warranty and extend if we've had a few repairs. Blimmin good job we did with the 7620, waste of money on the 7618, you don't win em all.

I don't mind high hour tractors, I just don't want them all on high hours at the same time.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 80 42.3%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 66 34.9%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 15.9%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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