So much for market forces......

[Cowabunga]

The EU payed for your stone picker
As for multi million air . I took a loan out to pay for my divorce and still not payed it off yet , the farm about breaks even but it's my investment for my old age when I cant work any more .
I live off trading . Did 1300 miles last week visiting customers and buying fodder
I had a lot of luck . Just shows how unjust the system was

Your divorce payment is relevant, how? It may be relevant to your current cash position but your obligation was only ever built up from the wealth facilitated by the EU system that was explained earlier. You can’t deny it and if you do, then kindly give it all back, including the quota money and the difference in land value today compared to when you bought it. Half would do. Think of it as your divorce payment to the EU.

 

[DrWazzock]

Your divorce payment is relevant, how? It may be relevant to your current cash position but your obligation was only ever built up from the wealth facilitated by the EU system that was explained earlier. You can’t deny it and if you do, then kindly give it all back, including the quota money and the difference in land value today compared to when you bought it. Half would do. Think of it as your divorce payment to the EU.

You make the assumption that we would be worse off today if we hadn't joined the EU.

Norway, Iceleand and Switzerland never joined yet seem to do quite nicely.
Noready still has fish stocks and supplies us with gas and even ploughs.
Iceland still has fish stocks which now come into Grimsby where our own supplies have dried up due to mismanagement under the EU regime.
Switzerland doesnt seem to be doing too badly.

You can't attribute our present wealth (if the biggest ever national debt is considered wealth) to membership of the EU when you have no means of knowing how well we would have done outside of the EU.

I'd say our oil and financial services has seen us through to a larger extent than EU membership. EU membership has come at a cost as well as a benefit and I sometimes wonder if there was ever any real net gain, especially as the whole idea of the EU was to lift poorer states out of poverty as the expense of the wealthier states.

 

[Henarar]

Ah so farmers claim that subsidies keep food cheap, funny because hardly a day goes by without a thread being created and numerous people complaining that: 'food is too cheap' and: 'prices are the same as the 1960's' and so on; the consensus often seems to be that those damned dastardly Joseph Publiques are spending too much money on TVs, cars and houses and not enough on food, and even if they were those damned dastardly supermarkets would only take most of the pickings, leaving farmers with nothing.

that is correct
food is way to cheap leaving little for the farmer by the time the vultures have had their fill and farmers don't get anywhere near a big enough payment for keeping the countryside looking as good as it does, its simple enough really

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Why wasn't I tagged? I fell left out, excluded and am probably on ignore but I don't care.

Where there is scheme there is a schemer. Subsidies are a bit like hitting the bottle in bad times. Masks the problems but they are still there when you sober up.

Subsidies end up soaked up by input cost inflation and land price rises anyway. They are a cop out.

I wasn't tagged either. ........ obviously my comments not worth reading

 

[Hfd Cattle]

I appreciate we get 1970's prices for our produce, and farm assurance puts us at a disadvantage, but I would have thought this year the main beef production costs would be pretty low ? I've seen silage/ haylage on FB for £15-20 / bale, why bother making it, when you can buy it so cheap ?
Not knocking BTW, just curious.

Plenty around here letting it go for the cost of baling and wrapping !!

 

[Henarar]

I wasn't tagged either. ........ obviously my comments not worth reading

that is also correct

 

[Cowabunga]

You make the assumption that we would be worse off today if we hadn't joined the EU.
Norway, Iceleand and Switzerland never joined yet seem to do quite nicely.
Noready still has fish stocks and supplies us with gas and even ploughs.
Iceland still has fish stocks which now come into Grimsby where our own supplies have dried up due to mismanagement under the EU regime.
Switzerland doesnt seem to be doing too badly.

You can't attribute our present wealth (if the biggest ever national debt is considered wealth) to membership of the EU when you have no means of knowing how well we would have done outside of the EU.

I'd say our oil and financial services has seen us through to a larger extent than EU membership. EU membership has come at a cost as well as a benefit and I sometimes wonder if there was ever any real net gain, especially as the whole idea of the EU was to lift poorer states out of poverty as the expense of the wealthier states.

Show me where I assume any such thing. It is you that is assuming [that I assume].

Norway has massive, and I do mean massive oil income. Iceland went bankrupt not long ago. Switzerland has cuckoo clocks.

You lot are exactly like sheep, assuming there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence.

 

[Henarar]

Show me where I assume any such thing. It is you that is assuming [that I assume].

Norway has massive, and I do mean massive oil income. Iceland went bankrupt not long ago. Switzerland has cuckoo clocks.

You lot are exactly like sheep, assuming there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence.

if your talking about our sheep then they would be right

 

[lloyd]

Show me where I assume any such thing. It is you that is assuming [that I assume].

Norway has massive, and I do mean massive oil income. Iceland went bankrupt not long ago. Switzerland has cuckoo clocks.

You lot are exactly like sheep, assuming there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence.

More like lemmings queuing up at the cliff edge.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Show me where I assume any such thing. It is you that is assuming [that I assume].

Norway has massive, and I do mean massive oil income. Iceland went bankrupt not long ago. Switzerland has cuckoo clocks.

You lot are exactly like sheep, assuming there are greener pastures on the other side of the fence.

Wales are No1 Rugby team in the world today , little Wales with just 3 million to choose from.
Amazing what you can achieve if you believe
In yourself

 

[lloyd]

Wales are No1 Rugby team in the world today , little Wales with just 3 million to choose from.
Amazing what you can achieve if you believe
In yourself

Well done to Wales

These modern rugby teams go to alot of preperation.
Perhaps they should've been in charge of Brexit!

 

[Johnnyboxer]

You make the assumption that we would be worse off today if we hadn't joined the EU.

Norway, Iceleand and Switzerland never joined yet seem to do quite nicely.
Noready still has fish stocks and supplies us with gas and even ploughs.
Iceland still has fish stocks which now come into Grimsby where our own supplies have dried up due to mismanagement under the EU regime.
Switzerland doesnt seem to be doing too badly.

But they have a different mindset and a more inclusive approach to the WHOLE population.................wheras GB it's a capitalist state and every man for himself, in a fight to the bottom...............plus they don't have the population density of the UK

 

[Henarar]

But they have a different mindset and a more inclusive approach to the WHOLE population.................wheras GB it's a capitalist state and every man for himself, in a fight to the bottom...............plus they don't have the population density of the UK

so the solution to having a very dense population is we give money and export industry to other countries and to the detriment of our own very dense population , fantastic just about says it all

 

[Cowabunga]

Wales are No1 Rugby team in the world today , little Wales with just 3 million to choose from.
Amazing what you can achieve if you believe
In yourself

All you have got is platitudes not even related to the issue.

 

[Cowabunga]

But they have a different mindset and a more inclusive approach to the WHOLE population.................wheras GB it's a capitalist state and every man for himself, in a fight to the bottom...............plus they don't have the population density of the UK

The mistake that the current UK team [not] negotiating with the EU is making is a fundamental one. They couldn't get it more wrong if they tried.

They assume that the EU is only concerned with the financial consequences of the UK leaving the club, whereas that is way down the EU's list of priorities. Assuming that the EU will change its mind and give in to UK demands based on something like German car deliveries to the UK is absolutely bonkers. While BMW and Mercedes may be somewhat concerned, Germany the country couldn't give a rat's arse about that. They look at the bigger picture.

 

[Henarar]

The mistake that the current UK team [not] negotiating with the EU is making is a fundamental one. They couldn't get it more wrong if they tried.

They assume that the EU is only concerned with the financial consequences of the UK leaving the club, whereas that is way down the EU's list of priorities. Assuming that the EU will change its mind and give in to UK demands based on something like German car deliveries to the UK is absolutely bonkers. While BMW and Mercedes may be somewhat concerned, Germany the country couldn't give a rat's arse about that. They look at the bigger picture.

whats the point of Doris going over there so called negotiating ? the eu have said that the deal that's been offered is the best they can do and that was kicked out by parliament three times ,

 

[Cowabunga]

whats the point of Doris going over there so called negotiating ? the eu have said that the deal that's been offered is the best they can do and that was kicked out by parliament three times ,

He has no intention of negotiating, no matter what he says publicly. He intends to crash us out hard and put the blame on all and sundry when the sh!t hits the fan afterwards. His Etonian buddies will make millions more. They know what the consequences are for the rest of us and the UK and they couldn't give a damn. Most have overseas businesses or have moved their businesses overseas already, including Mogg and Dyson. Mr JCB lives in Switzerland and has factories in America and Asia. Mr Weatherspoon just says what his type of customer wants to hear and it won't effect him one way or another.

 

[le bon paysan]

We have a four inch page booklet of rules/ regs etc that we have to comply with to get the BPS payment!

Im sure you don't have anything like the rules we have to stick to when claiming subs!

Oh and we pay for the TB tests and other blood tests that our cattle have every year and sheep have. And all the passports and electronic movements etc. A cost which you don't have. YET. Wait till they start scraping round after their budget cuts.
The EU subsidise your TB tests . Whose going to do that next year?

 

[Henarar]

He has no intention of negotiating, no matter what he says publicly. He intends to crash us out hard and put the blame on all and sundry when the sh!t hits the fan afterwards. His Etonian buddies will make millions more. They know what the consequences are for the rest of us and the UK and they couldn't give a damn. Most have overseas businesses or have moved their businesses overseas already, including Mogg and Dyson. Mr JCB lives in Switzerland and has factories in America and Asia. Mr Weatherspoon just says what his type of customer wants to hear and it won't effect him one way or another.

nor do the eu from what they have said or at least from what has been reported

 

[Greythundercloudys]

The irish+the EU will alway help there farmers, l wonder if this time next year if store sheep are making 20£a head instead of 60 what will happen, the government will need to set up a support scheme. How can you possibly carry on at those prices.