So much for market forces......

Cowabunga

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nor do the eu from what they have said or at least from what has been reported
They have negotiated an agreement and it is up to the UK Parliament either to accept or reject it. It has rejected it several times. That is not an EU problem, it is an UK problem. The EU has made their position clear from the very beginning.

Worth a read is this from BBC News today...
Brexit: PM to tell EU leaders to renegotiate deal

It should be noted that increased food prices is listed as a probable consequence and what I have to point out repeatedly is that this may well be the case. Temporarily. Until foreign competition such as the Americas get their act together and the ports gear up for new import streams. Then a rapid drop to the oft promised cheaper food [imports] as a consequence of the [again] promised tariff free imports. The 'free trade', which will only be one way. Our competitors have already concluded that they are dealing with idiots and Canada, for instance, have cancelled trade negotiations because they know that the market will likely be handed to them unconditionally on a plate by Doris's crowd in order to save their skins from being flailed by the public.
 
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So the year after subs stop, feeding and fertilzer will have to be 100 a ton instead of 200+, a tractor, well no one will can afford to buy one ever again. If not there will be hundreds of medium size farms for sale, it a crime on here to say it but everybody needs the sub to survive, in upland Scotland anyway. The weather is hellish and if it doesn't stop raining the harvest has had it as well.
 

Henarar

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They have negotiated an agreement and it is up to the UK Parliament either to accept or reject it. It has rejected it several times. That is not an EU problem, it is an UK problem. The EU has made their position clear from the very beginning.

Worth a read is this from BBC News today...
Brexit: PM to tell EU leaders to renegotiate deal
no point going over there negotiating then, which is what I said before
the eu have said that's the best they can do
our parliament have said 3 times that its no good
 

Cowabunga

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it was a remainer plan that was rejected by a mainly remainer parliament
You are deluded. The plan was rejected by a big majority. The Parliament is overwhelmingly against a hard brexit and no such thing was promised at the referendum. One with no agreement. One that damages the UK and most of the population and their prosperity for decades into the future. The deal agreed by May was to retain access to the EU markets on the same terms we currently have but, yes, it was basically to remain in the EU with no seat on the board. It was and is a poor deal in that respect but the whole idea of leaving is a much worse deal by any measure. That much should be perfectly obvious to all by now, even the most ardent of suicidal brexit supporters/nationalists/isolationists/xenophobes/the-hard-done-by/fascist/shirker/NHS-user/investor/employed/employer/butcher/baker and candlestick-maker.

Indeed it was promised [and conveniently forgotten] that we held all the cards and that the EU countries would be begging at our door to make the easiest and quickest deal ever. So what has happened to all the promises? It was assured that no deal was not an option, yet here we are with Doris going full steam ahead for a no deal with no intension of doing one either. He has fulfilled his one pre-referendum ambition, which was to steer himself into the Prime Minister's seat. Nothing else really matters to him apart from winning the next election, which should be a walk in the park considering the incompetent opposition leader. Almost as incompetent as a succession of Tory Governments have proven to be.
 
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Henarar

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You are deluded. The plan was rejected by a big majority. The Parliament is overwhelmingly against a hard brexit and no such thing was promised at the referendum. One with no agreement. One that damages the UK and most of the population and their prosperity for decades into the future. The deal agreed by May was to retain access to the EU markets on the same terms we currently have but, yes, it was basically to remain in the EU with no seat on the board. It was and is a poor deal in that respect but the whole idea of leaving is a much worse deal by any measure. That much should be perfectly obvious to all by now, even the most ardent of suicidal brexit supporters/nationalists/isolationists/xenophobes/the-hard-done-by/fascist/shirker/NHS-user/investor/employed/employer/butcher/baker and candlestick-maker.

Indeed it was promised [and conveniently forgotten] that we held all the cards and that the EU countries would be begging at our door to make the easiest and quickest deal ever. So what has happened to all the promises? It was assured that no deal was not an option, yet here we are with Doris going full steam ahead for a no deal with no intension of doing one either. He has fulfilled his one pre-referendum ambition, which was to steer himself into the Prime Minister's seat. Nothing else really matters to him apart from winning the next election, which should be a walk in the park considering the incompetent opposition leader. Almost as incompetent as a succession of Tory Governments have proven to be.
you are deluded it was a remainer plan [may is a remainer] and most pm's are remainers
 
I just get confused on these threads, although it's not difficult to confuse me these days. Folk say they need the funny money to stay flogging animals which are otherwise unprofitable, despite the fact the money is paid whether you keep 1, 10 or 1000 unprofitable animals. No amount of subsidy money is going to change the price of the end product: it is what it is.
 

digger64

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It's OTE="Cowabunga, post: 6516669, member: 718"]
You are deluded. The plan was rejected by a big majority. The Parliament is overwhelmingly against a hard brexit and no such thing was promised at the referendum. One with no agreement. One that damages the UK and most of the population and their prosperity for decades into the future. The deal agreed by May was to retain access to the EU markets on the same terms we currently have but, yes, it was basically to remain in the EU with no seat on the board. It was and is a poor deal in that respect but the whole idea of leaving is a much worse deal by any measure. That much should be perfectly obvious to all by now, even the most ardent of suicidal brexit supporters/nationalists/isolationists/xenophobes/the-hard-done-by/fascist/shirker/NHS-user/investor/employed/employer/butcher/baker and candlestick-maker.

Indeed it was promised [and conveniently forgotten] that we held all the cards and that the EU countries would be begging at our door to make the easiest and quickest deal ever. So what has happened to all the promises? It was assured that no deal was not an option, yet here we are with Doris going full steam ahead for a no deal with no intension of doing one either. He has fulfilled his one pre-referendum ambition, which was to steer himself into the Prime Minister's seat. Nothing else really matters to him apart from winning the next election, which should be a walk in the park considering the incompetent opposition leader. Almost as incompetent as a succession of Tory Governments have proven to be.
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You are the deluded one , people voted for change as it wasn't working for them for lots of reasons ,it appears to have worked for you that's fair enough , but you were outvoted that's how it is rightly or wrongly , the world won't end it may be better who knows , but the indecision and procrastination is definitely not helping anyone .
 
I just get confused on these threads, although it's not difficult to confuse me these days. Folk say they need the funny money to stay flogging animals which are otherwise unprofitable, despite the fact the money is paid whether you keep 1, 10 or 1000 unprofitable animals. No amount of subsidy money is going to change the price of the end product: it is what it is.
Indeed, it is the Euro rut of grief.
We receive 1970's prices.
We need subs to live on.....unless...
We pack up and become plumbers,
We become organic / open a farm shop / go in for free range eggs....then 18 months later flounder because everyone else has jumped on the organic / farm shop / go in for free range eggs bandwagon,
We become farming connect advisers telling everyone to go organic / farm shop/ go in for free range eggs.....
We accept future dole money for growing weedy barley, and being pleasant to butterflies...

All in all, the Euro rut of doom, is a deep, dark trench which is impossible to climb out of. Should have done something about it 20 years ago. Let us just hope once out, the UK gov will have some vibrant, radical plan to get UK ag back on it's feet. Seeing as how coal mining, steel manufacturing, car making, and just about everything else has been left to go to the wall, I wouldn't hold your breath.
 

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109: Monitor Farm takeover

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The first episode in the Farm Excellence series of the AHDB podcast focuses on cereals & oilseeds. The Monitor Farm programme comprises a network of farmers from across the UK and Northern Ireland committed to driving innovation and best practice. They host regular meetings at their farms in which they discuss issues facing agriculture in their...
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