So much for market forces......

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
yes and it has been pointed out that the budget is subtracted from our acreage payment so we get less per acre but incentivised to keep cows to get the money
So not only are you getting the same money per head of cattle that the Irishman is, you're getting it every year, at the expense of non beef farmers, and you've got more BPS because the £ has fallen, and you still want more?
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
And that's what I detested about the whole system.
Control .
You didn't produce what the market needed you produce what the sub gave you a profit on
Thank God headage subs have gone for ever
Good Lord, you cannot see that this is the Scottish Government's choice, not the EU's. A Scotland that overwhelmingly, with a far more convincing majority than the rest of England and Wales' results, voted to stay in the EU and as soon as we Brexit will vote to leave the UK itself.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
'Peace and unity in Europe', I think we have heard it all now.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-merkel-thanks-hungary-for-its-role-in-fall-of-berlin-wall/a-50064947

I posted this link in another thread. Tomorrow 19 August 2019 Mrs Merkel is attending a celebration. Thirty years ago from the Hungarian government starting to dismantle the Iron Curtain. And East Germans walking our of the East. And on November 9 2019 we (well I shall) be celebrating thirty years since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

I take it you are young.
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I should also point out what Lidl expect of their UK suppliers to Ireland and everywhere in the EU.
Who do you think will pay for this?...

Lidl's Irish business has reminded British suppliers they are expected to pay any EU import tariffs imposed on goods crossing borders after Brexit.

Currently, as both countries are member states, no tariffs are paid.

But Lidl's current contracts with suppliers contain a clause saying goods must be delivered with tariffs paid.
SNIP
"All existing Lidl contracts contain a DDP (Delivered Duty Paid) clause. In an effort to understand the level of preparedness of key UK suppliers we are communicating proactively with them and working together to resolve any potential barriers to supply," the supermarket said in a statement.

The "delivered duty paid" clause means that the cost of transporting goods, including tariffs on EU exports, are the responsibility of the supplier.
END QUOTE


Now maybe the doubting brexiters will understand and admit the current beef price situation where new and existing export contracts are not forthcoming and why the price for beef is so poor currently when it should be flying.
 
I should also point out what Lidl expect of their UK suppliers to Ireland and everywhere in the EU.
Who do you think will pay for this?...

Lidl's Irish business has reminded British suppliers they are expected to pay any EU import tariffs imposed on goods crossing borders after Brexit.

Currently, as both countries are member states, no tariffs are paid.

But Lidl's current contracts with suppliers contain a clause saying goods must be delivered with tariffs paid.
SNIP
"All existing Lidl contracts contain a DDP (Delivered Duty Paid) clause. In an effort to understand the level of preparedness of key UK suppliers we are communicating proactively with them and working together to resolve any potential barriers to supply," the supermarket said in a statement.

The "delivered duty paid" clause means that the cost of transporting goods, including tariffs on EU exports, are the responsibility of the supplier.
END QUOTE


Now maybe the doubting brexiters will understand and admit the current beef price situation where new and existing export contracts are not forthcoming and why the price for beef is so poor currently when it should be flying.
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Reminded me of one of your earlier comments about the sheeple
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Dont want to start a topic but is it true Cardigan Mart is closing . @ Cowabunga ,
Yes. No wonder. No stock. No buyers. I used to take my calves there. Some weeks I doubled the total for sale. Haven’t used it for the last year or so. Maybe it’s my fault? Prices were inconsistent and poor and the auctioneers don’t and didn’t try. They blame TB but that isn’t it at all.
 

gatepost

Member
Location
Cotswolds
Did you not read the article in the Guardian, Clive?
Their advice was that if you want to eat lamb with a lower Carbon and environmental footprint, to buy NZ lamb.
The main difference actually isn't in the lamb production side, other than the extra footprints of using shorter term leys and concentrates; rather the transport and process after the lamb is grown.

Sea transport is incredibly efficient, of course; IIRC something around 0.2kgCO2/tonne/km - but the main difference is that down here lambs will go on a wagon+drag, 600 lambs direct to slaughter.
None of this 15 fat lambs in a box behind a tractor stuff - we would be just as broke if we operated this way, which would make as much sense as an 800 cow dairy carrying milk to the factory in churns, or you hauling your grain to the mill on an 8x4 trailer..

..that, and the more ring-fenced land resources that economy dictates - offlying land is a major cost/loss to a small business.
Most all businesses would make good use of a decent advisor/mentor, but few apparently use them, preferring to ask their competitors how to hone their business and spend the money on buying more toys 🙄

Where's my tin hat?
I think you have identified the core problem with UK agriculture very well, advisers have consistently told folk to increase and spread costs, that has left a lot of businesses' chasing every acre going, so a lot of crossing paths and inefficiency, but more importantly we cannot do anything about the physically comparatively small scale when compared to global scales of land ownership/ rural infrastructure, I can't put a fence around a huge block and turn my flock in to it ,as there is 3 roads two villages and 5000 people with no interest in farming in the way. But you are fundamentally right.
 

Henarar

Member
I think you have identified the core problem with UK agriculture very well, advisers have consistently told folk to increase and spread costs, that has left a lot of businesses' chasing every acre going, so a lot of crossing paths and inefficiency, but more importantly we cannot do anything about the physically comparatively small scale when compared to global scales of land ownership/ rural infrastructure, I can't put a fence around a huge block and turn my flock in to it ,as there is 3 roads two villages and 5000 people with no interest in farming in the way. But you are fundamentally right.
easy enough to farm a large ring fence miles away from anywhere and interference and run down those that can't, some have to make the best of what they have or can get
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
I think you have identified the core problem with UK agriculture very well, advisers have consistently told folk to increase and spread costs, that has left a lot of businesses' chasing every acre going, so a lot of crossing paths and inefficiency, but more importantly we cannot do anything about the physically comparatively small scale when compared to global scales of land ownership/ rural infrastructure, I can't put a fence around a huge block and turn my flock in to it ,as there is 3 roads two villages and 5000 people with no interest in farming in the way. But you are fundamentally right.
Don't get sucked in by the NZ way.
They have plenty of enviromental problems of their own.
I have 6 texel x lambs I missed to tail with not much shape.
Everytime I look at them I think of NZ. :giggle:
 

gatepost

Member
Location
Cotswolds
Don't get sucked in by the NZ way.
They have plenty of enviromental problems of their own.
I have 6 texel x lambs I missed to tail with not much shape.
Everytime I look at them I think of NZ. :giggle:
Ha Ha, having got /had rams on Ramcompare up against NZ genetics, I don't think I need to invest;)
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
some have to make the best of what they have or can get
Ain't that the truth. And the reality.
You work with what you've got.
If you produce a hundred lambs a year by having halve a dozen plots around the place, you make sure people notice you about the place and buy direct off of you. You don't participate in the willy waving farming and spend half a day in a mart per week trying to sell a couple of lambs at world prices.
Many a good farmer has started with that kind of model and gone on to bigger things.
 

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World Food Day: NFU Cymru celebrates Welsh food producers at the Senedd

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Written by Rachel Martin

NFU Cymru members and Assembly Members have been celebrating the role that Welsh farmers play in producing nutritious, high quality, safe affordable food during an event at the Senedd today on World Food Day (October 16).

The lunchtime event, which was sponsored by Llyr Gruffydd AM, included a special menu of fine Welsh produce.

Speaking at the event, NFU Cymru...
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