So much for market forces......

[Bossfarmer]

So not only are you getting the same money per head of cattle that the Irishman is, you're getting it every year, at the expense of non beef farmers, and you've got more BPS because the £ has fallen, and you still want more?

no the irish are getting far more per head, a bigger acreage payment too and our fatners get 0

 

[Kiwi Pete]

I think you have identified the core problem with UK agriculture very well, advisers have consistently told folk to increase and spread costs, that has left a lot of businesses' chasing every acre going, so a lot of crossing paths and inefficiency, but more importantly we cannot do anything about the physically comparatively small scale when compared to global scales of land ownership/ rural infrastructure, I can't put a fence around a huge block and turn my flock in to it ,as there is 3 roads two villages and 5000 people with no interest in farming in the way. But you are fundamentally right.

I have 105 ish acres here, I bought another 12 acres around the road as the dairy farmer who wanted it couldn't afford it at the time.

What a ball-ache that was, even though I only had a mob of lambs on it and it's only on the other side of the village, that extra faffing around easily doubled the time input of "my farming", and really achieved SFA other than the capital gain when I onsold it (I build a shed on it, and fixed the driveway and house).

So although that's an extreme example of foolishness, I got to see firsthand just how easy it can be to let "a bit of extra dirt" create a headache and inefficiency.

I will not buy more land unless it either:
A. Adjoins what we own now
B. Is at least 250 hectares, making it worth the trip.

100 acres provides a pretty good income if done right, which of course I strive to do.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

easy enough to farm a large ring fence miles away from anywhere and interference and run down those that can't, some have to make the best of what they have or can get

"have to" ??

Who says?


ETA, NOT being smart but who says anyone "has to" farm - don't you get paid not to do farming?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Yes. No wonder. No stock. No buyers. I used to take my calves there. Some weeks I doubled the total for sale. Haven’t used it for the last year or so. Maybe it’s my fault? Prices were inconsistent and poor and the auctioneers don’t and didn’t try. They blame TB but that isn’t it at all.

Lot of happy memories at Cardigan Mart . Bought all my calves there . Quality was excellent and found them more healthy that some of the other bigger marts .
Newcastle Emlyn is selling calves now , Whitland is doing very well I'm told as well . Shame they did not build a New mart on Llandysul Bypass when they closed the old one

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Don't get sucked in by the NZ way.
They have plenty of enviromental problems of their own.
I have 6 texel x lambs I missed to tail with not much shape.
Everytime I look at them I think of NZ.

How come, are they the 6 that make your profit?

 

[Bury the Trash]

A Short tail would give them a better shape

 

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[lloyd]

How come, are they the 6 that make your profit?

They were all making a profit before Brexit ?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

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But it's not free it's our hard earned taxes that are given to Westminster who take their cut then send it to the EU who take a bigger cut before they send it back and employ a vast amount of staff to police you to make sure you are doing as you should. By the time it arrives back in your pocket a good 50% of it is lost . Better then to abolish the payment and cut your taxes

 

[Kiwi Pete]

They were all making a profit before Brexit ?

They will again, as the song goes: "hold on tight, to your dreams"

The interim period is what worries me the most about your current situation, ie until deals are bashed out/not, very difficult to plan for unknowns!

Sorry to pull your leg, just trying to make light of a sh!t situation ?

 

[lloyd]

But it's not free it's our hard earned taxes that are given to Westminster who take their cut then send it to the EU who take a bigger cut before they send it back and employ a vast amount of staff to police you to make sure you are doing as you should. By the time it arrives back in your pocket a good 50% of it is lost . Better then to abolish the payment and cut your taxes

Yeah well if you want to go one further to help society
then vote Labour which most of your fellow men have done
in the past and abolish IHT relief.
Look at all the hospitals and schools you would help with the redistribution of
your assets .

 

[Tarw Coch]

For simple minds, I suppose it does.

Hey Hey Hey Hey
I quite like simple minds.

 

[lloyd]

They will again, as the song goes: "hold on tight, to your dreams"

The interim period is what worries me the most about your current situation, ie until deals are bashed out/not, very difficult to plan for unknowns!

Sorry to pull your leg, just trying to make light of a sh!t situation ?

It's ok I'm already changing policy.
As the saying goes 'You can be a busy fool'.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Yeah well if you want to go one further to help society
then vote Labour which most of your fellow men have done
in the past and abolish IHT relief.
Look at all the hospitals and schools you would help with the redistribution of
your assets .

To much money pushed around to keep pen pushers in work . That's one of the reasons I voted out . Cut loose from a vast swathe of them in one fell swoop

 

[lloyd]

I have 105 ish acres here, I bought another 12 acres around the road as the dairy farmer who wanted it couldn't afford it at the time.

What a ball-ache that was, even though I only had a mob of lambs on it and it's only on the other side of the village, that extra faffing around easily doubled the time input of "my farming", and really achieved SFA other than the capital gain when I onsold it (I build a shed on it, and fixed the driveway and house).

So although that's an extreme example of foolishness, I got to see firsthand just how easy it can be to let "a bit of extra dirt" create a headache and inefficiency.

I will not buy more land unless it either:
A. Adjoins what we own now
B. Is at least 250 hectares, making it worth the trip.

100 acres provides a pretty good income if done right, which of course I strive to do.

Does it though?
You've been making good money from other ventures.
If you solely depended on that 100 acres would you make enough
to pay your bill's ,have similar expectation of city dwellers and be
able to maintain and reinvest in your holding?

 

[Henarar]

"have to" ??

Who says?


ETA, NOT being smart but who says anyone "has to" farm - don't you get paid not to do farming?

didn't say they did but ring fence farms over here are not that common so you have to make do with what you can get or not farm is what I meant, which you know
yes odd bits of land can be a pain but as long as things add up they are ok
and no we don't get paid not to farm we get a payment to keep the land in GAEC [there see I can abbreviate as well]

 

[Henarar]

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stop complaining then everybody unless you get NO free money or free anything else for that matter
there won't be a very long list of complainers will there

 

[Cowabunga]

Market forces have just informed me that my milk price is being lowered by 1.5ppl. It should be rising due to the currency weakening and the time of year, but it isn't. Fact is that there is just too much milk and the export market is disappearing due to you-know-what. So a substantial price cut is what we get.

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[Bury the Trash]

Indeed, it is the Euro rut of grief.
We receive 1970's prices.
We need subs to live on.....unless...
We pack up and become plumbers,
We become organic / open a farm shop / go in for free range eggs....then 18 months later flounder because everyone else has jumped on the organic / farm shop / go in for free range eggs bandwagon,
We become farming connect advisers telling everyone to go organic / farm shop/ go in for free range eggs.....
We accept future dole money for growing weedy barley, and being pleasant to butterflies...

All in all, the Euro rut of doom, is a deep, dark trench which is impossible to climb out of. Should have done something about it 20 years ago. Let us just hope once out, the UK gov will have some vibrant, radical plan to get UK ag back on it's feet. Seeing as how coal mining, steel manufacturing, car making, and just about everything else has been left to go to the wall, I wouldn't hold your breath.

I can see what you did there matey, seems like now you're lining up the government to blame for everything.... instead of the EU