So much for market forces......

no rent or mortgages to pay/guys on excellent ground, this doesnt account for a huge amount of farmers the ones making money when sfp is removed from the bottom line arent making enough for their time/investment that i can assure you especially when compared to other sectors

Blah blah blah, what you consider a worthwhile return is not the same for all other players nor are you obliged to farm. There are a fair few folk looking to farm in their own right with none of your advantages, best you look at the job through a different prism.
 

Bury the Trash

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All wrong mate. The crux of the matter is this: some folk are good at what they do. Others less so.

There are people out there farming in one or more of the above sectors who do not claim significant subsidy monies from it OR who always do something else with the money than use it to support their existing business. Don't you see, to these people the payment per head/acre/kilo or tonne is all meaningless.

The question you need to ask is how do people doing the above, do it?
Yes an open mind will be required and
Yeah, We'll find a way to prosper somehow. Whatever happens whichever way.
The old tradition of whinging about it might die out as well hopefully.
 
Yes an open mind will be required and
Yeah, We'll find a way to prosper somehow. Whatever happens whichever way.
The old tradition of whinging about it might die out as well hopefully.

I believe the industry will be in a far better place in the future than where it is now and I believe subsidies and EU policy are part of the reason it is in the state it is. Successive governments have done nothing really but carry on with the same CAP because of EU rules.

People are bitterly complaining at prices or returns anyway. If the current situation is not acceptable then surely the onus is on people to rethink the way forward.
 

Henarar

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Location
Somerset
All wrong mate. The crux of the matter is this: some folk are good at what they do. Others less so.

There are people out there farming in one or more of the above sectors who do not claim significant subsidy monies from it OR who always do something else with the money than use it to support their existing business. Don't you see, to these people the payment per head/acre/kilo or tonne is all meaningless.

The question you need to ask is how do people doing the above, do it?
how much is significant ?
 
how much is significant ?

You tell me, Ive met people whose payment is less than 5K because they have told me themselves. I have also met people who get much more but it is never put anywhere near their farm business and I don't blame them. I'd be setting up a good buy to let property portfolio with mine.

The point is it is possible to farm without having to constantly throw money at the job to keep it profitable.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
You tell me, Ive met people whose payment is less than 5K because they have told me themselves. I have also met people who get much more but it is never put anywhere near their farm business and I don't blame them. I'd be setting up a good buy to let property portfolio with mine.

The point is it is possible to farm without having to constantly throw money at the job to keep it profitable.
100 quid is quite significant to me :LOL:
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
I believe the industry will be in a far better place in the future than where it is now and I believe subsidies and EU policy are part of the reason it is in the state it is. Successive governments have done nothing really but carry on with the same CAP because of EU rules.

People are bitterly complaining at prices or returns anyway. If the current situation is not acceptable then surely the onus is on people to rethink the way forward.
It's just the trashing of that lamb market that has been developed over the last 40 odd years that really gripes.
When bse and foot and mouth hit it showed clearly what extreme market forces can do.

I' m sure there is heaps of room to lower costs ..
and as long as there is an enviromental sub. Which Helps us maintain the natural infrastructure we have around about without too many restrictions ie hedge maintenance then forget the subs Totally... well apart from help for genuine new entrants.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
It's just the trashing of that lamb market that has been developed over the last 40 odd years that really gripes.
When bse and foot and mouth hit it showed clearly what extreme market forces can do.

I' m sure there is heaps of room to lower costs ..
and as long as there is an enviromental sub. Which Helps us maintain the natural infrastructure we have around about without too many restrictions ie hedge maintenance then forget the subs Totally... well apart from help for genuine new entrants.
why do new entrants need help ?
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
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Somerset
For new blood and ways of thinking...people that are good at marketing etc



Well no they wont of course if sub is totally removed that in itself will help them(y)
if they are that good they won't need help

if you mean financial help who is to say new entrants don't have any money, I spose dyson was a new entrant when he bought his first farm
 
Well that’s what the uk director of one of our six refineries said as well as the head of their trade body. But what do they know......

I will try to find you the report. It was by an organisation that had assessed the impact of Brexit on the oil industry and the key takeaways were basically 'not much' except on a small quantity of refined transport fuel the UK exports for what reason I know not.

Mind you I would not put it past the oil industry to cry wolf hoping the UK gov would loosen their tax thumbscrews a whiff... the industry is a major tax stream I understand.
 
I will try to find you the report. It was by an organisation that had assessed the impact of Brexit on the oil industry and the key takeaways were basically 'not much' except on a small quantity of refined transport fuel the UK exports for what reason I know not.

Mind you I would not put it past the oil industry to cry wolf hoping the UK gov would loosen their tax thumbscrews a whiff... the industry is a major tax stream I understand.
We are not talking about getting the stuff out of the ground which used to be a big tax earner.these are the low margin refineries
 
Blah blah blah, what you consider a worthwhile return is not the same for all other players nor are you obliged to farm. There are a fair few folk looking to farm in their own right with none of your advantages, best you look at the job through a different prism.
so your saying blah blah blah to the 3 most important points? the fact that some new entrants can claim to be farming without subs means nothing to me, are they paying themselves a proper wage, do they have outside money such as wifes wages supporting them and do they have enough money after tax to reinvest and make a decent living, i very much doubt it with beef/sheep at the moment unless in a low altitude warmer part of the uk which most of Scotland isnt
 

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