agri knives
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- Location
- middle of ireland
How will uk farmers compete against imports without European subsidies, have the government done any deal to support farmers.
So the deal is done with no tariffs on imported food ,
- Thread starter agri knives
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- Bury St Edmunds
A free trade deal was crucial for U.K. ag to even hope to compete given the loss of BPS. I think the EU will soon follow the U.K. with subsidy withdrawal or reduction.
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Danllan
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- Location
- Sir Gar / Carms
The EU will keep subsidies (maybe only for a while), the UK will move directly to rewarding good practice.
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- Limousin/Charentes toad land
Our sub has been doing that for the 7 years we have been paid it
I am interested to know if you are an expert on the french subsidy system as I find it a little complicated - you could explain it all to me?
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
I'll happily bow to your obviously superior knowledge, but will still give some credence to Mr Guillaume - the French Agriculture Minister - who said in a television interview (no idea if British, French or what, but saw it on the BBC) that France and 'Europe'* would not follow the proposed British system of only rewards for environmental compliance - my paraphrasing.Our sub has been doing that for the 7 years we have been paid it
I am interested to know if you are an expert on the french subsidy system as I find it a little complicated - you could explain it all to me?
*good of him to speak for all the others too, saves them thinking / disagreeing
- Location
- Limousin/Charentes toad land
I'll happily bow to your obviously superior knowledge, but will still give some credence to Mr Guillaume - the French Agriculture Minister - who said in a television interview (no idea if British, French or what, but saw it on the BBC) that France and 'Europe'* would not follow the proposed British system of only rewards for environmental compliance - my paraphrasing.
*good of him to speak for all the others too, saves them thinking / disagreeing
“Only” might be the clue?
Certainly, for the years we have claimed, it has been a sliding scale from basic are payment to green payment - plus a host of environmental bonuses.
How far it goes is not yet known
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- Location
- North Somerset.
The EU farming subsidy system was always based on the need to keep German and particularly French farmers on the land otherwise they will migrate to the cities with the consequent pressure on employment and housing. The French have experienced one revolution and those in charge have no wish to keep an appointment with Madam Guilotine, consequently the subsidies will remain unless the EU have run out of other people’s money to give away.
- Location
- Limousin, France
Because they know if they move to the system that you have/ had of SFP most of the livestock will go.I'll happily bow to your obviously superior knowledge, but will still give some credence to Mr Guillaume - the French Agriculture Minister - who said in a television interview (no idea if British, French or what, but saw it on the BBC) that France and 'Europe'* would not follow the proposed British system of only rewards for environmental compliance - my paraphrasing.
*good of him to speak for all the others too, saves them thinking / disagreeing
They have just announced new proposals of greening linked to ICHN (LFA to you) and ESAs while curtailing sub's to older farmers and pushing money to young farmers. Headage continues
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Our government have released their summary of the deal. It remains to be seen whether the EU interpret it the same way but it looks reasonable. Worth reading through:
It's all we've got so we had better make it work
As you can see here in one short info graphic, cake and eat it vision, fell rather short.
Only Macron mentioned cake . we just wanted out
Columella
Member
- Location
- Filighera (Italy)
No one really knows what will happen, too mani details in the agreement. What is clear to me is that UK farmers might pay, in the future, for other bigger sectors of UK economy.
It is the same in Italy: a lot of my collegues farmers are keen of Salvini and the LEGA party, that is anti EU. They look like turkeys looking forward Xmas.
EU is the best thing ever happened to farmers; I can't see an other golden period like the one from 1970 to 2000 for the income of farmers, and we must thank, first of all, french farmers for it.
It is the same in Italy: a lot of my collegues farmers are keen of Salvini and the LEGA party, that is anti EU. They look like turkeys looking forward Xmas.
EU is the best thing ever happened to farmers; I can't see an other golden period like the one from 1970 to 2000 for the income of farmers, and we must thank, first of all, french farmers for it.
There's one big problem , food is too cheap and that needs to end
Columella
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- Location
- Filighera (Italy)
food is the only thing that everyone is able to produce, from Napa valley to Uganda. Two centuries ago transport wages made the difference, now we need protection and it is not possible under WTO rules. So we need some money to keep on farming. The point is: how much money? what can every nation afford?
Boris Johnson Quotes
"My policy on cake is pro having it and pro..." - Boris Johnson quotes from BrainyQuote.com
Well that will be a first
Thats what i thought ,most odd
Global ovine
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- Location
- Central Otago NZ
Really???
NZ has land values comparable to Europe, minimum wage legislation underpinning labour costs, higher input costs because most agricultural inputs are imported, sells primary produce internationally based on WTO rules and has nil subsidisation of the farming industry which supports it's sectors with farmers paying levies for research, trade protection/development, biosecurity and technology transfer. These sectors have sufficient modern history of being sufficiently profitable that their land values are kept to the maximum for return on investment.
Why the difference with @Columella statements and questions above? Its the ability, driven by attitude, to changing production systems when the world around them changes. Darwin explained it all a couple of centuries ago.