So what if the fert price doesn't stabilise by August
- Thread starter bobk
- Start date
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I heard urea is crashing already due to farmers cutting back rates and demand slumping.
Roller coaster.
Roller coaster.
Problem is we're not making much , gas is still soaring ...
Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
We are going to be establishing spring crops with fert bought at 6-£700/t.
What difference does August make?
What difference does August make?
Cropping decisions , we don't do spring crops
- Location
- Lincolnshire
It will be self limiting surely. Farmers cut back rates worldwide. Market goes into over supply. Price crashes.
Maybe we are entering an era when farmers don’t feel obliged to flood markets with “ cheap food”. I certainly don’t. Nothing will get much more than 150 kg N per ha here this year.
The last thing we need is over supply of wheat.
Interesting , my most profitable input is N .
yes if if crops clean and disease free its all part of the jigsaw.
- Location
- leics/warks border
Lower N rates gives lower disease levels.
And lower yield
- Location
- leics/warks border
But not as much as the fert and spray salesman would have you believe. If you're cutting N rate anyway, due to cost, the fungicide saving comes for free.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Water shortage is our limiting factor. Burn up in June. No point in putting on lots of N.
- Location
- leics/warks border
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Anything over 180 kgN/ha is insanity on our land. NVZ limits make me laugh. We’ve never been close to them, yet have had 4t per acre wheat and barley and 2t OSR in “good” years when everything fell right and moisture wasn’t a limiting factor. High N rates only benefit salesmen IMO, or maybe if chasing high protein milling wheat.
solo
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- Location
- worcestershire
Fungicide reduction will only happen if growers reduce their use. I doubt very much if agronomists will recommend reducing sales.
No shortage of moisture here always short of sunIt's usually lack of sunlight here
More Sulphur , less fungs , that's my plan , could go tits up but there is evidence
solo
Member
- Location
- worcestershire
Thats you taking charge of agronomy decisions, but an agronomist usually is tied to chemical sales, be that volume or margin to make money.
Moisture deficit here dictates fertiliser rates and fungicide spend. I Usually spend significantly less on crop sprays going by the Reading survey statistics, but more on fertiliser. 2020 results were particularly poor due to low yields. 2021 could see a very large variation in input prices as well as output margins. It will make for interesting reading next summer.
- Location
- Sedgefield
I think this year many farmers will discover that yield isn’t king….. if you control your costs and don’t chase that last ( half) ton with fert & spray the margin is similar
Lots of variables of course
But if I were a fertilizer or pesticide salesman I’d be worried that my market was slipping away never to return
we’re planning on reducing N across the board
Lots of variables of course
But if I were a fertilizer or pesticide salesman I’d be worried that my market was slipping away never to return
we’re planning on reducing N across the board
- Location
- leics/warks border
There was a wheat trial at cereals a few years ago at the Boothby Grafoe site . The plot with 60kg sulphur but no N was better than low N ( I think 20kg) and no sulphur.