Sobering thought for the day

Discussion in 'Agricultural Matters' started by Bongodog, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. Honest john

    Honest john Member

    Location:
    Fenland
    Well I have 40 yrs of experience & forgotten to link the peddles more times than I would like to admit.
    A most archaic system, not fit for this century. IMO.
     
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  2. Ley253

    Ley253 Member

    Location:
    Bath
    Were there any skid marks from the tractor tyres? If not, that reinforces the evidence that the brakes were never applied.
     
  3. Honest john

    Honest john Member

    Location:
    Fenland
    If you had xx tons pushing tractor, on a down hill, would tractor brakes have the power to skid the wheels ?

    The report says no skid marks apart from some marks left from the front wheels when trying to turn.
     
  4. Sorry but that is nonsense. If he is on the road with his 885 then he has to prove it's fit to be there, same as any other soul. Are you saying my old man should not need an MOT since he only does 5000 miles a year these days?
     
  5. snarling bee

    snarling bee Member

    Location:
    Bedford
    I did.

    The coroner did not focus on the weight, nor has it been an issue in the court case.
     
  6. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    Location:
    East Sussex
    Don’t be silly. I’m saying that starting a system where every farmer hitting the road with a tractor and implement has to confirm his safety/maintenance checks in real time with vosa/insurers/police/whatever is madness. Cars never have to go above 70 yet they’re not limited are they. You have to wear a seat belt yet cars still start without them plugged in. You want a fail safe system then good for you, don’t force it on the rest of us in the process.
     
  7. I am not sure that a live system for daily checks etc is needed, but the suggestion that joe farmer 2 cows should be able to do what he likes because he just has a 885 and only drives it to the pub and back on a Saturday is wrong. Regulations have to be applied to the whole industry or it makes a mockery of them.

    Most of the contributors to this thread recognise that the industry is given an extremely free hand with respect to regulation, as anyone with any experience of other industries will attest to. I doubt you will find many quarry plant or mobile crane operators who neglect to go the usual everyday checks because they recognise that if anything goes wrong they will usually be the first to suffer for it.
     
  8. milkloss

    milkloss Member

    Location:
    East Sussex
    Read my last sentence again. I’ve quoted my post below for you :rolleyes:
    Just creating more boxes to tick isn’t the cure imo. It’ll only create more law breaking through failure to comply with paper/technology. The chap with the 885 can be just as safe as the big boys with the fleet flying along with 18t at 50k, doesn’t need any extra regulation and desk work for it.

     
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  9. Ley253

    Ley253 Member

    Location:
    Bath
    One thing which could and should be present is a speed limiter which would be engaged when ever the brake pedals were unlatched.
     
  10. Tarw Coch

    Tarw Coch Member

    I agree completely, not only that but under current laws the owner/driver of the 885 is required to maintain his tractor in a roadworthy condition or he can be prosecuted if caught. It simply isn't legal to go out on the road without a properly maintained vehicle, that applies to all vehicles on the road be it a tractor, car, van, lorry or motor bike.
    Nor is it legal to use a tractor to go to the pub on a Saturday night as suggested by someone above.
    It seems to me that it's not more rules and regulations we need but more abiding by current ones.
     
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  11. Tarw Coch

    Tarw Coch Member

    I would have thought that unless the tractor brakes were defective they would have the power to lock the wheels to cause a skid if applied sharply,
     
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  12. njneer

    njneer Member

    New Mother regulation compliant tractors are restricted to 40k if pedals are unlatched.
     
  13. onthehoof

    onthehoof Member

    Location:
    Cambs
    Reading the 1st post again it appears the trailer started snaking as soon as it went downhill, it then started bouncing up and down this could have been when the brakes were applied.
    Presume the coroners inquest would have looked at speed etc.
     
  14. itsalwaysme

    itsalwaysme Member

    Location:
    Cheshire
    That limit seems to high though, you could still get in trouble with unlatched brakes at 38k
     
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  15. marshbarn

    marshbarn Member

    Location:
    shropshire
    The logical thing to do is to use a similar tractor and trailer loaded with wheat and to test the stopping ability of the tractor only, and tractor and trailer braking , and with and without latching the pedals. This could be done on a level private road for safety reasons . If it could be proved that the tractor had serficiant stopping power at 40 k without the trailer brakes then that would rule out the trailer brakes fault. There seems to be HSE are only focusing on the trailer brakes and not considering the way the tractor was driven. Tragically a lad has lost his life but that should not absolve him of any responsibility if any .
     
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  16. Honest john

    Honest john Member

    Location:
    Fenland
    We are testing a trailer today, needs to be at least 60% loaded, £15 per axil.
    Will test the Air & Hyd circuit.
     
  17. glasshouse

    glasshouse Member

    Location:
    lothians
    I
    Its a horrible situation for all involved.
     
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  18. njneer

    njneer Member

    Yes I agree but it is the regulation now.
     
  19. Skimmer

    Skimmer Member

    Location:
    North Notts
    Was the tractor out of control because the brakes hadn't worked or out of control and the brakes wouldn't work.
     
  20. Honest john

    Honest john Member

    Location:
    Fenland
    Ok trailer nr 1 tested and failed.
    Next question what is the law.

    My mate Google should know.

    At less than 32Kph your trailer should meet a min of 25% of GVW.
    Over 32Kph your trailer should meet a min of 45% of GVW.

    New regs coming out in May for fast tractors at 50% of GVW.

    My own trailer made 48% on Hyd, but only 41% on Air.

    The Parking brake passed but only just on Air.

    So we have adjusted the brakes replaced an air coupling that was leaking a bit. To try again, this is on a commercial axial 15 ton trailer.
     

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