Solar farms without subs - what the appetite for it?

[steveR]

£1m for 80mw is good value in today’s world!

Trying to work out grid costs and availability is incredibly complex, the quotes are pages long and change by the day due to sooo many factors.

That did not include 5 miles of underground cable mind....

Can well believe doing the calcs is a nightmare.

 

[Treg]

We would always have to say 'it depends', it would be good to take a look at the site and say. Although I don't think we would really be after something that size.

You should expect between £650 and £850 an acre, you could get a bit higher if the circumstances are right.

Thank you Daniel, their offering quite abit more than that & have done a fair bit of home work before approaching me .
This is the 4th time I've been approached so I 'm wondering whether its a firm that has approached before that has realised the Sub station has been upgraded.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Thank you Daniel, their offering quite abit more than that & have done a fair bit of home work before approaching me .
This is the 4th time I've been approached so I 'm wondering whether its a firm that has approached before that has realised the Sub station has been upgraded.

If it’s this juicy approach the dno yourself and ask for a cost for connection, as the same time get a pre app in with the council, if both come back positive then you could look to sell the scheme to the highest bidder, having grid and positive Pre app will reduce risk so increase value to you. This may cost you £10k though so high risk / returns game as usual.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

That’s a £5mill grid cost then!

 

[Doing it for the kids]

@Daniel Larn or any other wise owls, what’s the latest MW / ratio please?

Used to be 5 acres per MW but heard today closer to 3.5, subject to field size, hedges etc etc

 

[Daniel Larn]

Thank you Daniel, their offering quite abit more than that & have done a fair bit of home work before approaching me .
This is the 4th time I've been approached so I 'm wondering whether its a firm that has approached before that has realised the Sub station has been upgraded.

Sounds enticing, it's always worth looking at. Just make sure they don't ask you to put money into anything at any stage, there are a few schemes like that going around and a few people have been burned.

 

[Daniel Larn]

@Daniel Larn or any other wise owls, what’s the latest MW / ratio please?

Used to be 5 acres per MW but heard today closer to 3.5, subject to field size, hedges etc etc

I still go by 5ac/MW, but if you have the right topography it can go much lower. I have heard people say as low as 2.5ac/MW, which seems like a huge reduction, but I don't know enough about the technical stuff to call that out.

 

[teslacoils]

Not sure I follow...

If you have 100ac that can feasibly be connected to the grid, then you should look into it.

Smaller sites are burdened by the cost of grid connections once they get too small, so investors don't like to waste their time with them. It's a better return if you put more money into a bigger development and spread that cost more.

-at least, that's what I'm led to believe anyway.

If you can set up a small site to supply power directly to a consumer via a micro grid, then you are laughing. Those are very profitable indeed.

Sorry, what I'm saying is that there must be a point where site size multiplied by lower rent would pay for the installation of better grid input.

If they want 25 year leases at say £600 for sites near an easy connection, that's 15 grand for the term. At some point there must be a combination of size and lower rent to pay for the required connection upgrades ? I do not have a good grid connection, but I'd take less rent for a longer term if that would let a company overcome the grid connection issues.

 

[Daniel Larn]

Sorry, what I'm saying is that there must be a point where site size multiplied by lower rent would pay for the installation of better grid input.

If they want 25 year leases at say £600 for sites near an easy connection, that's 15 grand for the term. At some point there must be a combination of size and lower rent to pay for the required connection upgrades ? I do not have a good grid connection, but I'd take less rent for a longer term if that would let a company overcome the grid connection issues.

I see, yes, there is a point.

What that is depends largely on the cost of the grid connection/infrastructure improvements required, and the size of the site available.

For a large site, 100ac or more say, then there is much more scope to balance the books. On a 10ac site, then it's going to be pretty marginal at the best of times, unless you have a good consumer to take the energy off your hands direct.

the reason for the variable rates is mostly because people are trying to balance the books, for the farmer/investor/supplier et. al.

 

[teslacoils]

Is there not some simple list of areas with capacity to take more energy on then, or is it the usual UK fragmented f**kabout?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Is there not some simple list of areas with capacity to take more energy on then, or is it the usual UK fragmented fudgeabout?

Sadly not. Tbf it’s complex, what power, if solar then it’s not constant so they have to make sure Peak’s and troughs are catered for.

Solar also upsets frequently as it lacks inertia, too much in one area can damage equipment as voltages change.

 

[Goodspeed]

Interesting thread this -we have a couple of very suitable sites where I think planning would be straight forward

haven’t done anything about it though as thought economic didn’t stack up these days but the numbers posted above start to make sense if they reflect reality ???

no idea who I should talk to about this - any recommendations ?

Hello Clive , why not try www.yinglinamene.com contact Jason or Shad.

 

[JohnBrown]

I think it is beneficial to both sides.

 

[D14]

I've been in the company of a renewable energy contractor this morning. He's currently got 6 projects on the go with 3 separate companies and the landlord in each case is receiving £800/acre rent. We did not go into detail regarding how far each connection point was but it shows where the rents are. He said the industry has sprung back into action.

 

[steveR]

I've been in the company of a renewable energy contractor this morning. He's currently got 6 projects on the go with 3 separate companies and the landlord in each case is receiving £800/acre rent. We did not go into detail regarding how far each connection point was but it shows where the rents are. He said the industry has sprung back into action.

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I've been in the company of a renewable energy contractor this morning. He's currently got 6 projects on the go with 3 separate companies and the landlord in each case is receiving £800/acre rent. We did not go into detail regarding how far each connection point was but it shows where the rents are. He said the industry has sprung back into action.

But much longer Leases...

 

[JohnBrown]

I think it is beneficial to both sides. By the way, found an interesting review about solar energy https://websolarguide.com/facts-about-solar-energy/

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[Exfarmer]

Interesting till it gets to item 6, there it proves that it is trying to sell to gullible idiots. Anyone who claims that solar will perform on a cloudy, even snowy winters day, is a charlatan!

 

[Kidds]

A friend told me he was considering solar but had no idea who to talk to. Any companies out there to go to or ones to avoid? (Pm if appropriate)
Next door considered it to the point of getting the electric people to put up a couple of new poles. It came to a halt when the subsidy was removed. Is this likely to mean the ability to connect has been bagged by someone else?

 

[steveR]

Interesting till it gets to item 6, there it proves that it is trying to sell to gullible idiots. Anyone who claims that solar will perform on a cloudy, even snowy winters day, is a charlatan!

Thought the Solar snake oil Salesmen had moved onto a new panacea to solve mankinds ill's...!

 

[Doing it for the kids]

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