SOP AGM.

[Howard150]

The problems arise when its time to pick the two world match reps. They have to be world style, there is no other world class.Also, the societies remit was to provide a passage for ploughmen to reach the world match. They didnt want vintage at any cost, and resisted for some time, until it became too large a lump under "Doncaster towers" carpet! It would seem to be best if a divorce were to take place, but, there are only a certain number of people with the interest and time to put to running things like these, and I believe the society has most of them! And then, how long would it be, before classic wanted a divorce from vintage?

Kinnell Arry you do have some notions. Classic is and always will be a 'Scruffy' class. Problem is that most of the other Scruffy' classes do not want that. There is an insistence that Classic is not Vintage.

Let's not forget Harry that at Worksop in the Europeans I was the overall winner - so far the only Classic ploughman to have done that. I was not however given the trophy for the overall winner and got nothing other than the cup for the classic class.

So Harry, it just goes to show that in a world of ploughing where everybody is equal, some are in fact more equal than others!

 

[Howard150]

I've never recovered.....those horses heads that kept appearing off my boards as I drove along still give me nightmares!

I think he is lifting your leg Charlie, everyone knows I had the best plot in Kent, or so they keep telling me .............................................................................................

Definitely had a better one than mine champ - and a judge that had at least some lead in his pencil.

 

[Roy Stokes]

Definitely had a better one than mine champ - and a judge that had at least some lead in his pencil.

Can'y argue with that !

 

[ploughman61]

I think he is lifting your leg Charlie, everyone knows I had the best plot in Kent, or so they keep telling me .............................................................................................

Not quite right you made the best job of a bad plot on the day, and it was not allocated to you all we had to mark out with were plot numbers from 150 - 180 ( for example) no names along side just numbers we didn't have a clue who's plot was who's.

 

[Howard150]

Not quite right you made the best job of a bad plot on the day, and it was not allocated to you all we had to mark out with were plot numbers from 150 - 180 ( for example) no names along side just numbers we didn't have a clue who's plot was who's.

If that was a bad plot then perhaps David you could put a name to the plots that Richard Ingram, Hugh Griffifth, Bob Butlin and myself had in the lowest most decrepit part of the field!

 

[arcobob]

Cant remember, was it Geoff Smith that won then? I was on the headland in a nice hard patch. That was the year some twit wound my furrow adjuster half a dozen times when I wasn't looking, got 15' up the plot and thought WTF ???

I think you are right. Geoff Smith is a good ploughman but at that time Richard Ingram wold have murdered him, all things being equal.

 

[arcobob]

Not quite right you made the best job of a bad plot on the day, and it was not allocated to you all we had to mark out with were plot numbers from 150 - 180 ( for example) no names along side just numbers we didn't have a clue who's plot was who's.

Who decided who had which plot numbers?

 

[arcobob]

The fact remains, plots are never drawn, just allocated. The principle of drawing plots was once discussed by the executive and , in essence agreed but never implemented. I do not suggest that the outcome of the scruffy classes was the main target, simply the ability to retain control over any sinister manipulation that might at some time seem appropriate.
You simply cannot trust these people unless of course you have complete blind faith in the predictable behaviour of a basket of squirrels.

 

[Ley253]

"Howard150, post: 3696998, member: 30002"]I seem to recall a bearded attendee of the AGM where the 5 directors were dismissed, uncannily resemblant of Santa Clause in all but garb and generosity, saying a similar thing Harry. He also went on to say that there was nothing to stop them helping at the world contest in York. Ha ha bloody ha - Is there something in the water south of Bristol I ask?

Yes Harry they were kicked out - kicked out and kicked off for nothing other than daring to hold a view contrary to what any outside onlooker could be forgiven for perceiving to be nothing other than a totally unegalitarian and largely unelected, corrupt system of governors.

Would anybody in their right mind want to be part of an organisation which deals some of its best supporters some of the worst hands in the most underhand and conniving way. An insult to any self respecting man, so like it or not Harry, they have been excluded, kicked out no less.

I could understand it if the 5 had had their fingers in the till or some other equally abhorrent misdemeanour such as accepting backhanders, misappropriate use of company vehicles or even heaven forbid, bringing the society into disrepute, but not for disagreeing - disagreeing of all things - in a democracy.

Shame really that so many of us have now decided to call it a draw and walk away - especially now it looks as though they are to be having catering and ice cream at the national event on a regular basis - a brilliant concept with the members best interests at heart, which seems set to run and run....[/QUOTE]
So, compensation becomes grass seed, and membership instigated removal becomes resignation, confusing is it not! Truly, there still seems to be "something rotten in the state of Denmark"

 

[Howard150]

"Howard150, post: 3696998, member: 30002"]I seem to recall a bearded attendee of the AGM where the 5 directors were dismissed, uncannily resemblant of Santa Clause in all but garb and generosity, saying a similar thing Harry. He also went on to say that there was nothing to stop them helping at the world contest in York. Ha ha bloody ha - Is there something in the water south of Bristol I ask?

Yes Harry they were kicked out - kicked out and kicked off for nothing other than daring to hold a view contrary to what any outside onlooker could be forgiven for perceiving to be nothing other than a totally unegalitarian and largely unelected, corrupt system of governors.

Would anybody in their right mind want to be part of an organisation which deals some of its best supporters some of the worst hands in the most underhand and conniving way. An insult to any self respecting man, so like it or not Harry, they have been excluded, kicked out no less.

I could understand it if the 5 had had their fingers in the till or some other equally abhorrent misdemeanour such as accepting backhanders, misappropriate use of company vehicles or even heaven forbid, bringing the society into disrepute, but not for disagreeing - disagreeing of all things - in a democracy.

Shame really that so many of us have now decided to call it a draw and walk away - especially now it looks as though they are to be having catering and ice cream at the national event on a regular basis - a brilliant concept with the members best interests at heart, which seems set to run and run....

So, compensation becomes grass seed, and membership instigated removal becomes resignation, confusing is it not! Truly, there still seems to be "something rotten in the state of Denmark"

I can see there being Hamlet to play - or in the inimitable words of Selwyn Froggit - " Magic our Maurice"!

Grass seed becomes compensation in a move that looks set to revolutionise agriculture in a way that Jethro Tull could never have even dared to imagine, sowing and cutting of done whilst it was still in the bag.

 

[arcobob]

I can see there being Hamlet to play - or in the inimitable words of Selwyn Froggit - " Magic our Maurice"!

Grass seed becomes compensation in a move that looks set to revolutionise agriculture in a way that Jethro Tull could never have even dared to imagine, sowing and cutting of done whilst it was still in the bag.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when once we practice to deceive. Sir Walter Scott.

 

[Howard150]

Oh what a tangled web we weave when once we practice to deceive. Sir Walter Scott.

...when first we practice to deceive.....
not nitpicking....honest Bob

 

[Ley253]

Kinnell Arry you do have some notions. Classic is and always will be a 'Scruffy' class. Problem is that most of the other Scruffy' classes do not want that. There is an insistence that Classic is not Vintage.

Let's not forget Harry that at Worksop in the Europeans I was the overall winner - so far the only Classic ploughman to have done that. I was not however given the trophy for the overall winner and got nothing other than the cup for the classic class.

So Harry, it just goes to show that in a world of ploughing where everybody is equal, some are in fact more equal than others!

David, first of all, of course some classes are more equal than others, the society exists to promote world entry, everything else is secondary, vintage was fought off until 1979 when it was included in the national at Cross Houses. Where did I say that classic was not one of the classes you consider "scruffy"? What I said was, if vintage divorced from world style, after a while, the old arguments would resurface, and classic would want a divorce from vintage.
Perhaps this could be the way to go, each section having its own organisation, under the umbrella of a national coordinating body.However, I dont think there would ever be enough people willing to do all the admin work such a system would require.
Edit, seems I got things the wrong way around, as you feel that vintage already wants a divorce from classic!

 

[arcobob]

...when first we practice to deceive.....
not nitpicking....honest Bob

Bloody classics scholar. And in a Yorkshire dialect as well .

 

[Tafe Tractorman]

I can see there being Hamlet to play - or in the inimitable words of Selwyn Froggit - " Magic our Maurice"!

Grass seed becomes compensation in a move that looks set to revolutionise agriculture in a way that Jethro Tull could never have even dared to imagine, sowing and cutting of done whilst it was still in the bag.

Bill Maynard who played Selwyn Froggart was born and bred in the village of Sapcote leics he moddelled himself on a guy called peter wright who spent every afternoon in the working mens club saying pint of beer and a bag of Nutts please I believe he now lives in the humberside area married to Donald cambells wife ( bluebird ) Oh what a can of worms you have opened Maurice but funny

 

[arcobob]

Why don' t the SOP, aided by the horse ploughman and the ice cream vendor, kick out all the scruffy classes and get on with running World matches and horse events? Perhaps they could amalgamate with the British Horse Society and the Icecream Makers Guild to ensure that all member's needs are catered for adequately

 

[ploughman61]

If that was a bad plot then perhaps David you could put a name to the plots that Richard Ingram, Hugh Griffifth, Bob Butlin and myself had in the lowest most decrepit part of the field!

Their were so many bad plots on that site it was unbelievable, the reversible plough off plots were the worst I have seen in a plough off, and they were drawn out at the end of day one, peter alderslade still came out on top. Last year in York similar happened in world style class best plot on the site (DonWoodhouse)won the plough off, then David chappell won on first day of world match, luck off the draw!

 

[Howard150]

Why don' t the SOP, aided by the horse ploughman and the ice cream vendor, kick out all the scruffy classes and get on with running World matches and horse events? Perhaps they could amalgamate with the British Horse Society and the Icecream Makers Guild to ensure that all member's needs are catered for adequately

Come on Bob get real. SOP Get rid of the scruffy classes and all the subs that kept them afloat for years......
How many worldstylers at York - must have been all of 20 by all accounts

 

[Fergie Ploughman]

I think I was next door but one to Richard...

If that was a bad plot then perhaps David you could put a name to the plots that Richard Ingram, Hugh Griffifth, Bob Butlin and myself had in the lowest most decrepit part of the field!

 

[Ley253]

About 26, I think David. there are, however many more who wont come to the national, believing that the best plots are "booked in advance" by the "chosen". This attitude is sadly nourished by the massive gulf that exists between the top men, and the also rans in world style, the latter carry on, blaming everyone except themselves for their failure at top level.Home town judging, and strange rules compound the problem(remember the set of photos from Chichester match I posted,) which go toward encouraging these competitors to believe they are better than they are, and their lack of success is due to "dark forces" not their own failings.