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Doc

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Livestock Farmer
True @stewart.
‘Judge the man on his merits not his background’ is as Aussie as Vegemite.
It both amuses and frustrates me that the sneering ‘Aussie= convict’ banter is alive and well.
It overlooks facts of history in that a very small minority of British criminals were transported as most were left in Blighty (Its as likely you hail from criminal stock being British as Australian, probably more so), that the British criminal justice system was an inept joke in the 1700/1800’s of local feud and false allegation, that many of the trivial and often false charges resulting in transportation were due to strategically political enforced poverty reflecting at least some resourecfulness/ self respect of the perpetrators rather than a hopeless succumbing to pitiful circumstance and finally those who went, made mostly a very good fist of it all in a hugely challenging environment and situation.
Certainly after 200 odd years or so, they have ended up in a pretty good place as a globally successful, democratic, positively diverse and economically productive nation of citizens. Of course mistakes and regrets along the way but then these are common to the British as much as the Aussies.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
Friends of ours went to Aus as £10 poms, the couldn't settle so went back to the UK, because they returned early had to pay the government back as there were some rules around the £10 tickets.
Once they got back "home" they realised that had made a mistake so set off back to Australia, this time having to pay the full cost of the ticket.
:rolleyes:

Clearly wanted to ensure they couldn't be accused of getting it easy :whistle:
 
Friends of ours went to Aus as £10 poms, the couldn't settle so went back to the UK, because they returned early had to pay the government back as there were some rules around the £10 tickets.
Once they got back "home" they realised that had made a mistake so set off back to Australia, this time having to pay the full cost of the ticket.
Same for the Dutch that came on assisted passage in the 50's, return within two years and you have to pay the full passage of what it cost to get you to NZ.
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
True @stewart.
‘Judge the man on his merits not his background’ is as Aussie as Vegemite.
It both amuses and frustrates me that the sneering ‘Aussie= convict’ banter is alive and well.
It overlooks facts of history in that a very small minority of British criminals were transported as most were left in Blighty (Its as likely you hail from criminal stock being British as Australian, probably more so), that the British criminal justice system was an inept joke in the 1700/1800’s of local feud and false allegation, that many of the trivial and often false charges resulting in transportation were due to strategically political enforced poverty reflecting at least some resourecfulness/ self respect of the perpetrators rather than a hopeless succumbing to pitiful circumstance and finally those who went, made mostly a very good fist of it all in a hugely challenging environment and situation.
Certainly after 200 odd years or so, they have ended up in a pretty good place as a globally successful, democratic, positively diverse and economically productive nation of citizens. Of course mistakes and regrets along the way but then these are common to the British as much as the Aussies.

Thank you.
You summed up the Aussie = convict banter more eloquently than I could have :)
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Was it the 1960's a lot went from here to oz as so called £10 poms?

Yes, 50's & 60's. Assisted passage, skilled migration. The country was developing & needed skilled people in a hurry, hence the £10 Poms

Something that is less rarely talked about is the racist aspect of this. It was also used as a way of maintaining the "whiteness", the "Britishness" of Australia. During the 50's & 60's there was also a lot of immigrants from the Mediterranean, especially Greece & Italy & there was a concern about them diluting the "Englishness" of the place FFS
The Australian population, even in rural areas, is ethnically & culturally quite diverse & we are SO much better off because of it

Rather than saying we are descended from convicts, it would actually be much more accurate to say we are descended from refugees
 
What are army worms??
http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/agriculture/pests-diseases-and-weeds/pest-insects-and-mites/armyworms

Nasty creatures!! The first wave this year was terrible. Typical example is a dairy farm at Mawbana, went from green, irrigated pasture to bare ground in two days. They had to start feeding out silage that we'd made for them a week prior. We were running about like idiots baling up everyone's grass before the grubs took it.
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hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
http://agriculture.vic.gov.au/agriculture/pests-diseases-and-weeds/pest-insects-and-mites/armyworms

Nasty creatures!! The first wave this year was terrible. Typical example is a dairy farm at Mawbana, went from green, irrigated pasture to bare ground in two days. They had to start feeding out silage that we'd made for them a week prior. We were running about like idiots baling up everyone's grass before the grubs took it.View attachment 634224
Cant like that but :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
actually, very few are descended from convicts
40% of Australians were either born overseas, or at least one of their parents were . . .

we are far more diverse than the anglo - irish convict stock of 200 yrs ago
My ancestors came out of England early in Australia's history as free settlers. They had links to the Pinder, Bourne and Hope company and Royal Doulton. There's a bit of useless trivia for you.:p
 
That was a forward market report from Steve Spencer of Fresh Agenda. Reasonably well thought of anyilist. Individual companies will vary depending on their product lines and market placement. And no . Don't supply one of the big names.
Ok, you're probably in a little better position then. Can't the markets be vicious!:cry: Wherever we can I think we farmers need to value add and retail our product to cut out the middle man so that we aren't always price takers. It's not always easy or possible though.
 
Yes, 50's & 60's. Assisted passage, skilled migration. The country was developing & needed skilled people in a hurry, hence the £10 Poms

Something that is less rarely talked about is the racist aspect of this. It was also used as a way of maintaining the "whiteness", the "Britishness" of Australia. During the 50's & 60's there was also a lot of immigrants from the Mediterranean, especially Greece & Italy & there was a concern about them diluting the "Englishness" of the place FFS
The Australian population, even in rural areas, is ethnically & culturally quite diverse & we are SO much better off because of it

Rather than saying we are descended from convicts, it would actually be much more accurate to say we are descended from refugees
In my family situation, the main motivation for immigrating was to go where there would be a "future" for the following generations, as the situation at the time, they saw no future in the land of their birth. The decision to go to the other side of the world , was not made lightly.
 

CornishTone

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BASIS
Location
Cornwall
In my family situation, the main motivation for immigrating was to go where there would be a "future" for the following generations, as the situation at the time, they saw no future in the land of their birth. The decision to go to the other side of the world , was not made lightly.

Some might say little has changed from the 1800’s, to the 1950’s, to today. Modern day migrants are still making those same decisions for the same reasons and with an equal amount of pressure to “make the right choice”.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
Some might say little has changed from the 1800’s, to the 1950’s, to today. Modern day migrants are still making those same decisions for the same reasons and with an equal amount of pressure to “make the right choice”.
Ironic how so many descendents of immigrants here are viciously "anti immigrant" today :rolleyes:

What actually constitutes "native British" anyway? We are a mongrel nation with a horribly short memory.
 
Some might say little has changed from the 1800’s, to the 1950’s, to today. Modern day migrants are still making those same decisions for the same reasons and with an equal amount of pressure to “make the right choice”.
I should also add there was also the termination of the lease on said farm and my grandparents were in a situation where the could not afford to buy said farm , nor was it economically viable to service the debt incurred should they purchase it, probably as close to being an "eviction" without being an eviction .:rolleyes:
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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