Sovereignty

[turbo]

Perhaps if we hadn't relinquished sovereignty to the EU, the MMB would still exist and the Royal Mail wouldn't have been privatised. Both of these actions were done at the behest of the EU to satisfy its competition rules against the better judgement of many British MP's.

Nobody wanted privatisation of Royal Mail. It wasn't on any party's manifesto and nobody here voted for it. Even my own very much right wing MP did not agree with it.

It was the result of loss of sovereignty. It was imposed by unaccountable foreign powers whether we liked it or not and there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it.

Mrs T got rid of mmb not europe and royal mail needed privatising.

 

[DrWazzock]

Mrs T got rid of mmb not europe and royal mail needed privatising.

Mrs T was forced to get rid of the MMB by EU completion rules.

Why did the Royal Mail need privatising? It was turning a profit and bringing money in for the government and providing a good service. it was privatised to satisfy EU anti monopoly laws, applied absurdly and in extremis to what should and has to be be a universal national service not a private business which will ultimately end up cherry picking the most profitable services and leaving remote rural communities with a very much degraded service.

 

[turbo]

Mrs T was forced to get rid of the MMB by EU completion rules.

Why did the Royal Mail need privatising? It was turning a profit and bringing money in for the government and providing a good service. it was privatised to satisfy EU anti monopoly laws, applied absurdly and in extremis to what should and has to be be a universal national service not a private business which will ultimately end up cherry picking the most profitable services and leaving remote rural communities with a very much degraded service.

Proof please about mmb

 

[DrWazzock]

Proof please about mmb

http://www.fwi.co.uk/community/topic/muckspreader-933311/

 

[turbo]

Thats not proof thats here say

 

[DrWazzock]

It's good enough for me and fairly common knowledge here.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Mrs T was forced to get rid of the MMB by EU completion rules.

Why did the Royal Mail need privatising? It was turning a profit and bringing money in for the government and providing a good service. it was privatised to satisfy EU anti monopoly laws, applied absurdly and in extremis to what should and has to be be a universal national service not a private business which will ultimately end up cherry picking the most profitable services and leaving remote rural communities with a very much degraded service.

The EU wanted the MMB reformed but there was no question of it being disbanded. Mrs Thatcher took this as an opportunity to get rid of it along with the other 4 boards after the DTF convinced her that it would open up competition and lower prices.

 

[DrWazzock]

Lets also have a look at the case of Baroness Ashton of Upholland.

She was one of Tony's cronies. Never ever elected by anybody but appointed to the House of Lords by Tony Blair and into the government.

Eventually, when Gordon Brown couldn't get Tony into the top job in Europe, he insisted, as a compromise, that Catherine Ashton was given the job of EU high representative in dealings with powers external to the EU, ( a sort of EU foreign minister).

So there we had it, a person representing all EU member states on the world diplomatic stage. An appointee with no previous experience, who had never been elected by anybody.

As it turned out she did quite a good job on the whole although her role in destabilising Ukraine was questionable.

But on the issue of sovereignty, I find it worrying that a national from any of the member states can be appointed and can then speak on behalf of us all.

Turkish foreign minister eventually?

And in actual fact the EU does have powers to draw on the military of its member states, as it did in Operation Atalanta against Somalian pirates.

Thin end of the wedge.

 

[turbo]

The EU wanted the MMB reformed but there was no question of it being disbanded. Mrs Thatcher took this as an opportunity to get rid of it along with the other 4 boards after the DTF convinced her that it would open up competition and lower prices.

Exactly how i was told it happened and exactly what will happen outside the eu we will be swamped with inports to keep the prices down in the shops

 

[its yourself]

Lets also have a look at the case of Baroness Ashton of Upholland.

She was one of Tony's cronies. Never ever elected by anybody but appointed to the House of Lords by Tony Blair and into the government.

Eventually, when Gordon Brown couldn't get Tony into the top job in Europe, he insisted, as a compromise, that Catherine Ashton was given the job of EU high representative in dealings with powers external to the EU, ( a sort of EU foreign minister).

So there we had it, a person representing all EU member states on the world diplomatic stage. An appointee with no previous experience, who had never been elected by anybody.

As it turned out she did quite a good job on the whole although her role in destabilising Ukraine was questionable.

But on the issue of sovereignty, I find it worrying that a national from any of the member states can be appointed and can then speak on behalf of us all.

Turkish foreign minister eventually?

And in actual fact the EU does have powers to draw on the military of its member states, as it did in Operation Atalanta against Somalian pirates.

Thin end of the wedge.

What is sovereignty?


It's a simple question.

 

[Muck Spreader]

It's good enough for me and fairly common knowledge here.

This is an extract from the national archive records at Kew on the winding up of the MMB.

"in 1992, a Milk Marketing and Legislation Division was set up in MAFF to prepare new legislation for UK Milk Marketing Schemes. Combined pressure from trade competitors, the European Commission and the British government persuaded the Board that the organisation should become a voluntary co-operative. It did so in 1994, with the name Milk Marque".

 

[DrWazzock]

What is sovereignty?


It's a simple question.

The full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside bodies.

Try wikepedia if you don't believe me.

I already gave this simple answer in as many words in post number 4 above. The subsequent posts I made were illustrative examples.

I would quite like to restore sovereignty to HMG so I am voting to leave the EU.

 

[glasshouse]

This is an extract from the national archive records at Kew on the winding up of the MMB.

"in 1992, a Milk Marketing and Legislation Division was set up in MAFF to prepare new legislation for UK Milk Marketing Schemes. Combined pressure from trade competitors, the European Commission and the British government persuaded the Board that the organisation should become a voluntary co-operative. It did so in 1994, with the name Milk Marque".

The eu and thatcher killed the mmb.

 

[DrWazzock]

The MMB in its original form was wholly inconsistent with the Single Market and open access to the UK for foreign dairy imports from other EU states.

Thatcher put the knife in, but the EU held her coat.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The MMB in its original form was wholly inconsistent with the Single Market and open access to the UK for foreign dairy imports from other EU states.

Thatcher put the knife in, but the EU held her coat.

The DTF were the main instigators and had it well planned to break up the Milk Marque as soon as it was formed. To be fair that bit was never going to be difficult.

 

[glasshouse]

The MMB in its original form was wholly inconsistent with the Single Market and open access to the UK for foreign dairy imports from other EU states.

Thatcher put the knife in, but the EU held her coat.

that was long before the single market

 

[its yourself]

The full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside bodies.

Try wikepedia if you don't believe me.

I already gave this simple answer in as many words in post number 4 above. The subsequent posts I made were illustrative examples.

I would quite like to restore sovereignty to HMG so I am voting to leave the EU.

Then you must be wanting to leave the UN NATO the WTO etc etc?


All of those and dozens of others?


If not as I have pointed out before your position is not about sovereignty at all.

 

[DrWazzock]

Then you must be wanting to leave the UN NATO the WTO etc etc?


All of those and dozens of others?


If not as I have pointed out before your position is not about sovereignty at all.

The bodies you mention above don't quite have the stranglehold on us that the EU has.

If the UN issues a resolution its usually under exceptional and extreme circumstances and even then it can be ignored.

If the EU Commission comes up with a new directive micromanaging any aspect of our lives, then presently we are obliged to comply it.

There's a difference.

Same with the WTO. They can say what they like, but if we decided to keep our steel mills running by spending more taxpayers money to build a new fleet of battle cruisers, then there is nothing they can do about it. But while we remain in the EU we are duty bound to comply with EU rules that prevent us subsidising our home industries, though other member states seem to get round this.

I think we should be free to join or leave whatever organisations we like as best suits our interests.

 

[glasshouse]

The bodies you mention above don't quite have the stranglehold on us that the EU has.

If the UN issues a resolution its usually under exceptional and extreme circumstances and even then it can be ignored.

If the EU Commission comes up with a new directive micromanaging any aspect of our lives, then presently we are obliged to comply it.

There's a difference.

Same with the WTO. They can say what they like, but if we decided to keep our steel mills running by spending more taxpayers money to build a new fleet of battle cruisers, then there is nothing they can do about it. But while we remain in the EU we are duty bound to comply with EU rules that prevent us subsidising our home industries, though other member states seem to get round this.

I think we should be free to join or leave whatever organisations we like as best suits our interests.

that is the crucial point, the uk keeps to the rules, then gold plates them, while france and germany just ignore them.
look at the massive bailout to claas recently.
better out

 

[DrWazzock]

that is the crucial point, the uk keeps to the rules, then gold plates them, while france and germany just ignore them.
look at the massive bailout to claas recently.
better out

That's what gets me. Here we can't seem to save any of our industries "because it would break EU rules". Maybe it's just an excuse. I don't know. I can't honestly believe that the reason we have no home grown motor industry is because nobody in Britain could run a car plant.

Same with electrical engineering etc. Continental firms were backed to the hilt by their national governments who bailed them out until the good times returned and lo and behold they bought up their British competitors, saved the good bits and ditched the rest.

Somebody ought to be put on trial for treason.