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Chickens obviously don't eat soya in the "wild". But do eat a lot of worms and bugs to get protein so I wonder if insects are the way to go? Or would that not be acceptable to vegans?Any ideas how?
Chickens obviously don't eat soya in the "wild". But do eat a lot of worms and bugs to get protein so I wonder if insects are the way to go? Or would that not be acceptable to vegans?Any ideas how?
Chickens obviously don't eat soya in the "wild". But do eat a lot of worms and bugs to get protein so I wonder if insects are the way to go? Or would that not be acceptable to vegans?
Can't have it both ways, either they pay for insect protein or use soyaThere are companies in the UK who will sell you a shipping container full of the equipment needed to breed insects for poultry to eat. But at the moment you'd need lots of shipping containers for any sort of scale and the market isn't showing any signs of wanting to pay for it.
Neighbour grew soya this year , it held up and harvested well ,they made a good job of the crop , each pod only had 2 little beans (smaller than a skittle) in it and plants were only 1ft high at most , recon lupins would yeild better
they did alright , you would have been surprised , had everyone round here chattering wondering what it was after it chitted , strange plant when growing , came off ok though combine didnt hang about blink and you missed it, think if it didnt have the droughty start would have been a very useful cropIn the fudging Mendips, it does make you wonder what exactly were they expecting to get mind.
Lupins much prefer acidic dirt and are pretty unreliable.
Beans are fine, good protein feed and cheap to grow if direct drilled.
they did alright , you would have been surprised , had everyone round here chattering wondering what it was after it chitted , strange plant when growing , came off ok though combine didnt hang about blink and you missed it, think if it didnt have the droughty start would have been a very useful crop
Nothing to do with a chicken is gonna be acceptable to a vegan.Chickens obviously don't eat soya in the "wild". But do eat a lot of worms and bugs to get protein so I wonder if insects are the way to go? Or would that not be acceptable to vegans?
Neighbour grew soya this year , it held up and harvested well ,they made a good job of the crop , each pod only had 2 little beans (smaller than a skittle) in it and plants were only 1ft high at most , recon lupins would yeild better
But has anyone made a good job of growing Lupins?
Neighbour grew soya this year , it held up and harvested well ,they made a good job of the crop , each pod only had 2 little beans (smaller than a skittle) in it and plants were only 1ft high at most , recon lupins would yeild better
to be fair it was hit by severe drought at wrong time , doubt any N would have gone anywhere , good looking crop you have there BTWIf your neighbour decides to grow soya again you could tell him that if was legal adding up to ( and no more) 20kg N/ha would help get them off to a flying start. Normally each pod has 4 beans in them and they aren’t very big. Yield is determined by the plant producing more branches. This is what my crop looked like this year. It wasn’t my best, but the no spring crop did very well around here this year.
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I believe Simon Chiles has had a go with them?
I have seen some good crops of lupins in the past, in Devon, actually. But he was on slightly acidic and pretty sandy red dirt that is common in some parts of Devon. In Somerset and Dorset, where it's either clay as fudge or thin, alkaline chalks it's a non-starter.
The thing is soya is being used as an excuse for the failure of western governments and the chattering classes. In reality as someone else said on this thread it should be seen as the food product to solve some of the planet’s issues. It produces protein mainstay of everything’s diet and without the use of nitrogen made from fossil fuels.
It’s easy to blame the farmers who feed soya to cattle for the destruction of the rain forest to grow it. Those tell the world this choose not to look at the real facts, soya is grown all over the planet. My son works on a dairy farm in Canada, they grow 1000 acres of perfectly good rainforest friendly soya.
It is easy to see the trees falling and soya being grown in their place. But the real reason is that governments particularly want money some for themselves and some to get their population out of poverty and subsistence farming. Tree felling and ranching or cropping with soya is one way out of this.
What really needs to happen is investment into countries like Brazil to encourage policies that will stop the destruction of the rainforest and to educate the population. However it is much easier to blame it all on a farmer trying to make a living feeding his cattle or chickens and hide behind a keyboard telling the world about it. While at the same time eating some vegan friendly product made from soya.
The thing is soya is being used as an excuse for the failure of western governments and the chattering classes. In reality as someone else said on this thread it should be seen as the food product to solve some of the planet’s issues. It produces protein mainstay of everything’s diet and without the use of nitrogen made from fossil fuels.
It’s easy to blame the farmers who feed soya to cattle for the destruction of the rain forest to grow it. Those tell the world this choose not to look at the real facts, soya is grown all over the planet. My son works on a dairy farm in Canada, they grow 1000 acres of perfectly good rainforest friendly soya.
It is easy to see the trees falling and soya being grown in their place. But the real reason is that governments particularly want money some for themselves and some to get their population out of poverty and subsistence farming. Tree felling and ranching or cropping with soya is one way out of this.
What really needs to happen is investment into countries like Brazil to encourage policies that will stop the destruction of the rainforest and to educate the population. However it is much easier to blame it all on a farmer trying to make a living feeding his cattle or chickens and hide behind a keyboard telling the world about it. While at the same time eating some vegan friendly product made from soya.
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I think you’d describe my soils as clayey as fudge and have grown numerous good crops of Lupins, whilst you’re correct that they will grow well in acidic Sandy soils and won’t tolerate alkaline chalks I think it’s a mistake to write off any soil type with a pH of less than 7.9 for white Lupins. Once established they’re a lot easier to grow than beans, probably equal to beans on herbicide choices and I’ve never used a fungicide on Lupins. The seed would be a bit more than beans and yield slightly less but they’d be worth more. The yield of the following crop of wheat would be significantly higher after Lupins than after beans with less of a slug problem after the Lupins. If there was a better market for the Lupins ( I think it’s coming ) or I was growing a crop to feed to my own animals I’d choose to grow the Lupins over beans most of the time.
Quite right: if they weren't growing soya it would be corn or something else anyway.
I have no doubt your soils are clay as fudge but you are in a kinder part of the world. Around here, clay as fudge means if it gets wet it stays wet and it rains like fury a lot, particularly in spring.
I'd have much more confidence in growing soya in your part of the world or in Hampshire where the climate is a lot more sensible.
I'd also hazard a guess that your dirt is a lot better looked after. There is a lot of land around here that doesn't really want to be in arable cropping if we were being totally honest.