Spring barley advice

[ajd132]

In the drill. So it's either down the spout, or chucked on top ?

yes

 

[jh.]

For a fair trial I would spin some ontop with fert spreader ontop of ploughing. Then do other bit of field through drill.

Would show benefits of putting it close to seed.

On my drill seed and fert goes down seperate pipes. Some say this isn't as good. Others say it roots better as roots have to travel to find nutrients.

I don't know.

We used to Massey drill fert down spout. Then we got a seed only power harrow one pass .

First field was split into 3 . Third down spout with massey , a third fert spun on ploughing before one pass , third spun on after . This was all done on same day . Balance of N when trams visible. Only real difference we saw was a bushier look to spun on fert before drill , on the ploughed angle .

We always aimed to have the fert on after drill asap after that . I then collaborated with a neighbour for 12 years . His man in charge of fert and he was spot on , often chasing me out field with the drill but again usually on before 48hours weather dependant. This worked well until he left and we found ourselves falling behind and fert times suffering . I have now gone back to fert down spout. It gets done on same day and there is no time lost due to weather .

I think if you have the staff and capacity , spreading fert asap works fine , otherwise get it on with seed .

 

[Terrier]

I’ve got a drill which will drill seed & fert. Should I drill all the fert In one go it’s what I want to do. They are metered separately but do go in the same place slot. Disc drill any thoughts. Probably going 120kg/n/ha solid fert either 34.5 or 24/8/8/8

Quantity is the problem in the slot as it increases the relative salt index in the proximity of germinating seeds to the point where it burns the plant tissue.

 

[Spencer]

I don't know anyone putting it all on in one hit. Advantages to me is giving it some P and N close to seed to aid establishment. Plus it reduces the amount of N you have to put on top dressing.

Same here, we apply about 50-60kgN/ha as a compound... thought 120 would be a

Quantity is the problem in the slot as it increases the relative salt index in the proximity of germinating seeds to the point where it burns the plant tissue.

yes but at what point do you get burn?

 

[Chae1]

Have heard of burn in osr. Never in any other crops.

Some heroes are putting on over 400kg/ha

 

[ajd132]

Have heard of burn in osr. Never in any other crops.

Some heroes are putting on over 400kg/ha

in the drill? that must make it an incredibly slow job!

 

[GmB]

Back in the day !! ( 70's ) when we were all using Massey 30 drills, common practice was 3cwt of 20 10 10 per acre down the spout. The seed went down the same spout and into the drill made by the disc. Never had any problems. Hope that helps ? ( Spring barley )

Back in the day? Still using one now, seed only.

 

[Chae1]

in the drill? that must make it an incredibly slow job!

Yes! I'm not fit to blow that much back at any speed. I've seed and fert on front. You can see it building up in pipes. Then bit at end where you lift goes flat as it clears itself.

 

[farmerfred86]

We are moving to using a urea sulphur compound for everything now 38-0-0-19. Thinking of spinning half on a week before drilling and half down the spout total 100kgs N. This is if we drill mid march. If it was in February like we did a couple years ago I would spin the reminder on after. Thoughts?

Thats bold! You can get a higher concentration of liquid N? We've often thought about higher N for liquid and then spin on some poly sulphate.

 

[ajd132]

Thats bold! You can get a higher concentration of liquid N? We've often thought about higher N for liquid and then spin on some poly sulphate.

The sulphur is too expensive if you want higher concentrations. Polysulphate is okay but I wanted to go to using urea for agronomic reasons so it made sense.

 

[farmerfred86]

You might not have long to practice this if they ban solid urea ferts. Accuracy would be my other concern but modern spreaders are significantly better I suppose.
With these drier springs I really think we could be moving to 100% N applications at planting and/or reductions etc!

 

[ajd132]

You might not have long to practice this if they ban solid urea ferts. Accuracy would be my other concern but modern spreaders are significantly better I suppose.
With these drier springs I really think we could be moving to 100% N applications at planting and/or reductions etc!

It’s a compound of UAS so should be safe. Shame the company I bought it from also demonise it! I’m not worried about accuracy these spreaders have come a long way. And no more scorch which I refuse to believe doesn’t have an affect. This stuff needs dealing with differently management wise to liquid though.
I will try some all down the spout again and cut the rate aswell.

 

[yellow belly]

if we end u with coated urea i will possible start putting it on a upto a month before drilling
the risk of having an washed down the drains is too high
we have drain flow in april and may in more years than not

 

[Farmer Fin]

What sort of seed rate are folks using for Sassy for malting? First year growing it here.

 

[GrantMo]

What sort of seed rate are folks using for Sassy for malting? First year growing it here.

Can’t go far wrong at 1.75cwt/acre?
Would depend more on the TGW and the germination % of the seed more than the variety I think?

 

[Farmer Fin]

Can’t go far wrong at 1.75cwt/acre?
Would depend more on the TGW and the germination % of the seed more than the variety I think?

That would work out at 400 seeds. Last year we had Diablo at 390 and Laureate at 450. Suspect Sassy will tiller similarly to Laureate.

 

[Chae1]

200kg/ha same as everything else!

 

[Jinx]

That would work out at 400 seeds. Last year we had Diablo at 390 and Laureate at 450. Suspect Sassy will tiller similarly to Laureate.

Sassy should usually be around 400 seeds, assuming germ in the mid 90's. 20 seeds less if conditions are fab, 20 more if they're poor.

200kg/ha same as everything else!

So you're saying that regardless of time of sowing, ground condition, variety, tgw or germ, everything should be sown at 200kg/ha?

 

[Chae1]

Sassy should usually be around 400 seeds, assuming germ in the mid 90's. 20 seeds less if conditions are fab, 20 more if they're poor.


So you're saying that regardless of time of sowing, ground condition, variety, tgw or germ, everything should be sown at 200kg/ha?

Yes.

I know I'm a sh!te farmer.

 

[czechmate]

Yes.

I know I'm a sh!te farmer.

I’ve kind of got to that. Beans too.
Mind, I don’t grow osr any more