Spring Oat PGRs

[Robert]

Spring Oats have hung on really well with next to no rain over the last 7 weeks since planting. They have now doubled in size in 3 days with some moisture and will presumably keep going. Presumably they've gone from severely stressed and vulnerable (inc very clinical nutrient deficiency) to very lush and vulnerable with such sudden growth. They've had 100kg N (final 50% just last week) as 3mm was promised so the question is how best to treat the PGR side of things now, they were sown quite thick too. Will Canopy / Terpal be enough at flag, or is it worth throwing some CCC / Moddus at them now too? Thanks

 

[franklin]

Mine will get canopy next week, and probably some more 2nd time through.

 

[Brisel]

Terpal is not approved for oats. Canopy is, to GS41.
BASF 3C 750 approved GS30-32
Moddus to GS32
Medax Max to GS39

 

[Tractor Boy]

What fungicides does anyone apply to spring oats? Is it worth putting in with PGR at GS31?

 

[franklin]

Mantra is very good. They probably dont need anything that fancy really. Like linseed, you can easily make a low input crop into a high input crop.

 

[Sprog]

Last year we used 1lt ccc and 0.3kg medal max at gs32. Worked well.
As far as fungicide is concerned it depends on your own policy, Insure or cure. In a good year you can get away with very little. If no mildew when applying pgr you can add 100mls justice/talisman as a preventative and may not need to go in again.

 

[franklin]

Did mine this morning with 0.15 of Moddus, some generic epoxi, a bit of mineral. Crop is, in my opinion, too thin. Will go through with 0.5 of canopy later on.

 

[Robert]

What kind of rates of Canopy are sensible on leggy crop approaching flag leaf? No pgr to date.

 

[Clive]

I'm really pushing N levels on oats this year so need to do something serious or its going to end badly I fear !

 

[Sandy]

What kind of rates of Canopy are sensible on leggy crop approaching flag leaf? No pgr to date.

Will canopy help that late on you'd be better off with 2lts of ccc

 

[Brisel]

I'm really pushing N levels on oats this year so need to do something serious or its going to end badly I fear !

How much N? Canyon/Firth?

 

[shakerator]

I'm really pushing N levels on oats this year so need to do something serious or its going to end badly I fear !

How much u put on ?

 

[Robert]

100kgs after grazed mediocre cover crop

 

[Clive]

How much u put on ?

no more than the max RB209 obviously

Something I picked up on on my trip to the agronomy conference in Ireland earlier this year. Seems the Irish have been using decent amount of N and proper fungicide spends for a few year now and getting some serious yield and wheat beating gross margins (and they grow big wheat crops)

spring oats look stunning her right now, bags of potential if we can keep them standing

 

[shakerator]

no more than the max RB209 obviously

Something I picked up on on my trip to the agronomy conference in Ireland earlier this year. Seems the Irish have been using decent amount of N and proper fungicide spends for a few year now and getting some serious yield and wheat beating gross margins (and they grow big wheat crops)

spring oats look stunning her right now, bags of potential if we can keep them standing

They also get loads of water !!

 

[Colin]

They also get loads of water !!

Not necessarily, in Perthshire we get 1000mm plus as an average now, maybe all at the wrong time though, trouble is I have no om to hold it so 10 dry days and we're back to moisture deficit. Oats after a good cover crop are looking cracking , only using 100kgN with moddus and 3c. In a wet year they are the best crop "here" 2012 they did just under 4 but average would be 3.

 

[shakerator]

Not necessarily, in Perthshire we get 1000mm plus as an average now, maybe all at the wrong time though, trouble is I have no om to hold it so 10 dry days and we're back to moisture deficit. Oats after a good cover crop are looking cracking , only using 100kgN with moddus and 3c. In a wet year they are the best crop "here" 2012 they did just under 4 but average would be 3.

Slightly different weather pattern to Ireland though ?

 

[Clive]

They also get loads of water !!

I doubt I will get their yields but I find oats more drought tolerant than wheats

Their rainfalls were surprisingly not that much greater than ours in the area I visited

Yields were off the scale though

My oat regime has been low input low output, FSS, a cheap herb and fungicide and shut the gate ! 3t/ac kind of average most years

An extra chunk of N and a bit of decent chemistry doesn't need to return much more yield to justify itself and it seems oats do have the potential

Worth a try anyway I feel, especially this year as they have got off to a great start

 

[franklin]

We get much less water than Ireland, but usually decent yields.

 

[Flash]

Accidentally put some Canopy on one field as panicles half out, will it do any harm? Thanks