St. Albans Diocessan Board of Finance - Selling ag land from under Tenant (fbt)

Flatland guy

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Location
Lincolnshire
As far as I am aware your FBT is still ok , it is just that the new owner will be notifying you where to pay rent to.

Long term, you may be out at the end of the term highly likely depends who is new owner, could be your neighbour who will serve notice on you at the earliest opportunity, highly likely to come to an end or be paying more coin!

These Diocessan boards have been selling blocks for the past two or three years, they are I think taking the view agricultural land has risen and may stagnate coupled with loss of BPS from a rental perspective and are cashing in and investing elsewhere.
 

Fuzzy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
As far as I am aware your FBT is still ok , it is just that the new owner will be notifying you where to pay rent to.

Long term, you may be out at the end of the term highly likely depends who is new owner, could be your neighbour who will serve notice on you at the earliest opportunity, highly likely to come to an end or be paying more coin!

These Diocessan boards have been selling blocks for the past two or three years, they are I think taking the view agricultural land has risen and may stagnate coupled with loss of BPS from a rental perspective and are cashing in and investing elsewhere.
The interested party(New Neighbour) has made about £80 million profit selling Covid PPE to the NHS !!!!
 

Fuzzy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
Well it is highly likely they could be your new landlord , and the rest depends on what they want to do with the property after your FBT, or they could want it to be farmed as now subject to rent etc.

The only guarantee is the length of your remaining FBT.
They want to play with horses on it !!! Already spent £10million buying next door farm !!
 

Wolds Beef

Member
Slightly of at a tangent!! But the Church commisioners have a 9billion bank account yet in Lincolnshire they are rediploying there clergy to only work in the larger town churches even though in a local survey many rural churches opted to stay as working church building's. We are being discriminated against in the rural parishes and it will happen in your diocese to. The church commisioners will not help Lincoln which was one of the richest diocese in the country but now run at a 3 million deficit each year.
WB
 

Formatted

Member
Livestock Farmer
We are being discriminated against in the rural parishes and it will happen in your diocese to. The church commisioners will not help Lincoln which was one of the richest diocese in the country but now run at a 3 million deficit each year
Church Commission is the Church's investment company it's run by Commissioners who are not Christians and pretty ruthless. You also need to remember that the Church of England has Dicoses which are all separate organisations.
 

Wolds Beef

Member
@Formatted I am aware of that and am Churchwarden of our local church in a group of churches that all voted to stay open as working churches. Our Vicar also has a funeral brief at diocicean level and also another brief dispite having 6 active churches covering 14 villages or Parishes. We pay our parish share in full but they are withdrawing the clergy to larger churches which I feel is discriminating against rural groups.
WB
 

Huno

Member
Arable Farmer
Anyone had land fbt sold from under them by SADBF

Advice and help needed ???
Get a loan.. buy it from them at half market price then re sell it to another landlord who will sign a contract with you to farm whilst paying near to full price for the land? Best financial deal you will ever achieve!! If they will sell it to you?
 

Bongodog

Member
Slightly of at a tangent!! But the Church commisioners have a 9billion bank account yet in Lincolnshire they are rediploying there clergy to only work in the larger town churches even though in a local survey many rural churches opted to stay as working church building's. We are being discriminated against in the rural parishes and it will happen in your diocese to. The church commisioners will not help Lincoln which was one of the richest diocese in the country but now run at a 3 million deficit each year.
WB
Historically each Church was financed via its Glebe land, the vicar took the rental income from the gelbe land as his salary (stipend in eccelsiastical terms). The rental from a few acres was sufficient for a vicar to have a high standard of living, influence was used to gain the living of parishes with a good income. As land rental values dropped the systemt had to change and the result was that the Church commissioners took hold of all the land in exchange for providing assisatnce to pay clergy stipends. They have long since stopped contributing towards clergy wages, but I believe they may still make a contribution towards pensions.
They are sitting on vast amounts of land and seek development permission at every opportunity, if successful they never allow any of the proceeds to filter back to the parish that originally owned the land.
They recently sold off about 8 acres in our village for housing, when the Parish Council was asked for a suggestion for a road name for the development, one of our cllrs who is also a church member put forward the suggestion "Bishops Greed", unfortunately the district council wouldn't accept this and it is now Glebe Field.

As regards the distribution of clergy, city parishes are overflowing with full time ministers, retired ministers, volunteer ministers etc, meanwhile out in the Country vicars with 4 or 5 parishes can't fid any help at all.
 

Wolds Beef

Member
@Bongodog To put you better in the picture, I am aware of the history as whilst in partnership with my Father and Brother, we were farming a Glebe Farm. The Lincoln Diocese has sold of a lot of little parcels of land about three years ago including a field behind our church and No, we did not see any of the money. I also now live in a modern bungalow next door to the rectory in my parish, which my aunt had the wisdom to sell after my uncle had passed away. It was the family home on my mothers side of the family.. But enough of that, we have just restored the roof on our little church in the next village and a kind benefactor is about to put an organ in, in remembrance of his late brother. Is this to no avail as I suspect a lot of rural churches will be closed in the near future?. I fear so.
WB
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Being currently involved in shutting a church in Lincolnshire, I can say the process is still ongoing after about seven years. And I mean seven years from getting the "this church will close" stamp.

I go to the deanery synod meetings and it's the same each time - how do we attract more people / membership declining. Well, I'll say no church membership of Christian denominations are zooming up in Lincolnshire. But it's not in the CofE.
 

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