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That was always the aim of thatcher, to reduce tenants rights to zero.They want to play with horses on it !!! Already spent £10million buying next door farm !!
That was always the aim of thatcher, to reduce tenants rights to zero.They want to play with horses on it !!! Already spent £10million buying next door farm !!
The church is all a con.I was only half joking with my Jehovahs comment.
No paid clergy, no idolatry, and hard-core Old Testament.
Oh, and a healthy contempt for the fabulously wealthy organised churches, who profess Christian values, whilst fomenting Third world starvation through opposing birth control; and turning a blind eye to nonces.
I also find the yearly visit from the jehovahs witnesses and offer them a coffee .Sometimes I’ve actually welcomed a discussion with Jehovahs witnesses. If I’m not too busy and feeling a bit bored and isolated out here, (I rarely see anybody other than close family) then it’s not the worst way to spend half an hour. Some are even nice lookers in a frumpy kind of way.
Same here. Perhaps it is the career of choice amongst the Witness community. I only know of three window cleaners and all three are Jehovah's Witnesses. In my youth,I used to work in a Midlands cattle market. Almost all the other staff were Witnesses, as the market manager was,and he recruited them. Almost all of them had something amiss about them,when you got to know them. I was never sure if that's what attracted them to the religion or if it was because of it. There was no doubting their commitment to it though, or how much they looked after each other.Young man who cleans our windows is one, real nice chap.
I just can't get my head around the blind unquestioning faith, the evolution denial, and the patriarchal society.
@Hindsight @teslacoils Are you both large(Wool) churches on the Heath or smaller more manageable churches.? And could we put pressure on further up the chain to tell the diocese that the cathedral ordained staff should take service at parish level and help out?
WB
I think the government missed a trick (or didn't as they were keen on coolbritania) with the millennium, one to build a network of cycle paths, and two, to renovate our churches.Church buildings do undoubtedly have an architectural and historical worth of more than monetary value. The problem is they need megabucks to renovate them to a standard approved by the diocese. None of that is much to do with Christianity. It’s a heritage / historical issue and really should be recognised as such rather than be heaped onto “Christians”. I think in Germany such buildings are recognised as being of worth to the community generally and are funded out of general taxation. That’s right in my view.
I think the rebuild value of our church is in excess of £2m. It will never be able to generate in income to maintain itself in any form. Listings are often quite specific parts of a building. Personally I think it should be pulled down; turned into a home; and rented out to provide an income for the parish.Church buildings do undoubtedly have an architectural and historical worth of more than monetary value. The problem is they need megabucks to renovate them to a standard approved by the diocese. None of that is much to do with Christianity. It’s a heritage / historical issue and really should be recognised as such rather than be heaped onto “Christians”. I think in Germany such buildings are recognised as being of worth to the community generally and are funded out of general taxation. That’s right in my view.
unless one of them needed a blood transfusion .Same here. Perhaps it is the career of choice amongst the Witness community. I only know of three window cleaners and all three are Jehovah's Witnesses. In my youth,I used to work in a Midlands cattle market. Almost all the other staff were Witnesses, as the market manager was,and he recruited them. Almost all of them had something amiss about them,when you got to know them. I was never sure if that's what attracted them to the religion or if it was because of it. There was no doubting their commitment to it though, or how much they looked after each other.
You might consider a deathbed return to the fold ??? Either way God wont hold it again you ..... But should you encounter any problems with the paperwork at the pearly gates just ask for Brother Albert who will say " let him in quick there couldnt be any problem , how could there be ??? Isint he one of the farmers ."I used to go to church, but i have seen right through it all now , its primarily population control and manipulation.
Put up with a shyte life on earth cos your next life will be better.
Jam tomorrow on steroids
To a large extent many village churches were an extension of the villages squires ego. Now the squires have gone or aren’t interested or have married a Muslim or run out of cash themselves the upkeep falls on the congregation entirely and as reserves dwindle they just run out of cash. Although most villagers here lived in considerable poverty until the 1940’s the squire would put on a feast or harvest festival every year as a treat for the villagers/congregation. The idea that the congregation itself would fund the upkeep of the church is I think a fairly new one especially in rural areas. Feasts turned into fundraising events where the most needy in the Parish were expected to dig deep to send money to the diocese. I’m not sure some of those attending the “feast” ever thought it was a fundraising event and were still unwittingly living in an earlier era when it would have been laid on for their benefit. Death duties and other punitive taxes, the requisition of country houses by the military killed the squires off hereabouts and so cut off the financial patronage that many rural churches depended upon.I think the rebuild value of our church is in excess of £2m. It will never be able to generate in income to maintain itself in any form. Listings are often quite specific parts of a building. Personally I think it should be pulled down; turned into a home; and rented out to provide an income for the parish.
shouldn't the income from the billions of pounds worth of investments and property be going to pay for the upkeep of these buildings+ I cant really see the need for paid clergy and bishops living the life of riley in their luxury palaces nowadays.Many rural churches are doomed without State intervention by means of English Heritage or a wealthy local benefactor. New roof etc costs megabucks nowadays and is way beyond the capability of your average fund raising event. Annual fundraising can’t even pay the vicar or insurance and utilities, unfortunately.
A very good point indeed. The higher echelons tend to look after themselves. Bishops sit in the House of Lords and I guess ultimately they run the system for their own benefit. I dare say the plebs were always a bit of a nuisance.shouldn't the income from the billions of pounds worth of investments and property be going to pay for the upkeep of these buildings+ I cant really see the need for paid clergy and bishops living the life of riley in their luxury palaces nowadays.