Standing Wheat straw now well over £200/acre in the SW

[warksfarmer]

What difference do my actions make? The only facility I own is a draw chopper. You don’t seem to understand the word sell either. What is to stop a livestock farmer selling the straw on? You Tories tie yourselves in ludicrous knots defending the indefensible.

I reckon my pet pig has more brain power than you do as you are talking nonsense.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Correct on all counts!

The biomass market has set a price for straw, which means the days of subsidised Zombie arable farmers stupidly giving away their straw to their subsidised Zombie livestock farming counterparts for peanuts is hopefully over.

I might be a Zombie livestock farmer but I’m not subsidised thanks.

 

[Hilly]

Correct on all counts!

The biomass market has set a price for straw, which means the days of subsidised Zombie arable farmers stupidly giving away their straw to their subsidised Zombie livestock farming counterparts for peanuts is hopefully over.

Your correct, you could have said it more polite tho

 

[PSQ]

I might be a Zombie livestock farmer but I’m not subsidised thanks.

To clarify, the 'Zombie' moniker only applies to farmers who bumble along with no interest in making a profit, while maintaining a lifestyle mainly off the sub. Frankly, they'd be better off living their 'three score years and ten' doing something else. So @Suffolk Serf cant be a zombie farmer, for obvious reasons.

 

[Henarar]

To clarify, the 'Zombie' moniker only applies to farmers who bumble along with no interest in making a profit, while maintaining a lifestyle mainly off the sub. Frankly, they'd be better off living their 'three score years and ten' doing something else.

so profit is everything is it ? nothing else anyone could possibly do while farming is worthwhile ? it all comes down to profit ?

 

[Hilly]

so profit is everything is it ? nothing else anyone could possibly do while farming is worthwhile ? it all comes down to profit ?

It dose when you make a loss and go bust.

 

[7610 super q]

So how are you going to make me sell our straw into the livestock industry then?

He's going to offer a decent price, unlike the last decade, obviously.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Slurry is ok, but drawbacks are storage ( can’t stack it up in the field ) and more closed periods for spreading . We do both from the pig farm. Key to slurry is getting it onto a growing crop

I can get as much FYM as I want from down the road as long as I go pick it up. This works well as I can do it in my own time - every 10 days or so in the Winter. The two dairy farms would love me to take the slurry too but its not worth it really - firstly it would be £30 hour plus juice to pay someone to drive 50% on the road and secondly they'll want it gone in sub optimal conditions.

I dare say they could put it on my growing corn if they paid all the costs but I would look a bit too greedy then

 

[PSQ]

so profit is everything is it ? nothing else anyone could possibly do while farming is worthwhile ? it all comes down to profit ?

No where near, but it's the foundation and bedrock under a stable farm, a happy family, and a full life well lived.

Whats the alternative? Subsidising the supermarkets by selling the fruits of your labour at a loss, 'tossing off' another year of your life?
See how long that lasts when Gove turns his sights on farm subsidies, and the public against 'greedy farmers'. The clock is ticking on subsidised nostalgia.

 

[franklin]

Champion, you take my 200 from November till april, any problems dont phone me im away skiing

Why do you want them back? How about I take the young ones, and pay you in straw? You keep the breeders and the young can leave mine ready to turn to burgers?

 

[JP1]

Farmland IE video on FB - like a proverbial Gold Rush

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1845601012199105

 

[Hilly]

Why do you want them back? How about I take the young ones, and pay you in straw? You keep the breeders and the young can leave mine ready to turn to burgers?

Interesting, maybe.

 

[Hilly]

Why do you want them back? How about I take the young ones, and pay you in straw? You keep the breeders and the young can leave mine ready to turn to burgers?

I swap you kilos of live AAx cattle delivered for kilos of Straw delivered. ?

 

[franklin]

Was just a thought. Think the principle holds though as it makes sense to me to fatten decent calves here in the east , assuming there is a local place to chop them up. Straw cheap(er) and we can backload brewers grains, beet etc.

 

[Hilly]

Was just a thought. Think the principle holds though as it makes sense to me to fatten decent calves here in the east , assuming there is a local place to chop them up. Straw cheap(er) and we can backload brewers grains, beet etc.

Give it some thought, try it on small scale first too see how we get on, pm me and give you my number if you want too talk anymore.

 

[fudge]

To clarify, the 'Zombie' moniker only applies to farmers who bumble along with no interest in making a profit, while maintaining a lifestyle mainly off the sub. Frankly, they'd be better off living their 'three score years and ten' doing something else. So @Suffolk Serf cant be a zombie farmer, for obvious reasons.

Pretty sure these people you call zombies only exist in your imagination such as it is.

 

[fudge]

What difference has anyone's voting preferences got to do with anything? Business is business.

Oh come off it you are the one spouting voodoo economics in support of paying subsidy to straw burners in the current circumstances. Typical Tory capital must get its return however idiotic the scheme. Incidentally do you think warksfarmers pet pig knows what goes on at the bullingdon club?

 

[PSQ]

Pretty sure these people you call zombies only exist in your imagination such as it is.

Here's the proof, not that a chippy wee fudger would care for anything like 'facts':

England:
https://assets.publishing.service.g...60/fbs-businessincome-statsnotice-26oct17.pdf

Over a fifth of cereal, dairy, lowland grazing livestock, mixed and poultry farms failed to make a profit in 2016/17.

And this is with the average £28,000 subsidy included in the calculations.

Scotland:
http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Agriculture-Fisheries/Publications/FBI

Forty five per cent of farms in the survey generated income equivalent to less than the minimum agricultural wage (MAW) on a per head basis, per hour of unpaid labour. This includes the 23 per cent of farm businesses that made a loss in 2016-17.

General cropping farms had the highest average FBI in 2016-17, at £47,000, while LFA sheep farms had the lowest average FBI, at £14,000.

All lower quartile farms (businesses with the lowest 25 per cent of FBI values) made a loss in terms of FBI in 2016-17 with the exception of LFA cattle and sheep. The average FBI of lower quartile farms ranged from a profit of £2,600 for LFA cattle and sheep farms to a loss of £56,100 for dairy farms.

The upper quartile farms (businesses with the highest 25 per cent of FBI values) had incomes ranging from £64,000 for lowland cattle and sheep farms to £148,900 for dairy farms.

 

[PSQ]

Oh come off it you are the one spouting voodoo economics in support of paying subsidy to straw burners in the current circumstances. Typical Tory capital must get its return however idiotic the scheme.

Once again, fudge, ***you*** are the only one on this thread benefiting from the "idiotic scheme".

The same scheme that you, and only you, has a problem with. All the while spouting bullsh!t, pointing fingers and repeatedly calling the people who are NOT benefiting from the scheme "Tory" like you're some kind of village idiot.

@fudge, have you got any idea how stupid you're making yourself look?

 

[Henarar]

Once again, ***you*** are the only one on this thread benefiting from the "idiotic scheme".

The same scheme that you, and only you, has a problem with. All the while spouting bullsh!t, pointing fingers and repeatedly calling the people who are NOT benefiting from the scheme "Tory" like you're some kind of village idiot.

@fudge, have you got any idea how stupid you're making yourself look?

I think we got the point before the edit