Statement from Red Tractor

[TFF]

Due to the number of threads on TFF at the moment, we have requested a statement from Red Tractor to see if they will be taking into account what indiviudal farmers are saying and the overwhelming numbers on the two polls.

The consultation is open to all our members and stakeholders. Farmers have been an intrinsic part of the process in drawing up the proposals we are seeking views on. They are proposals.. The final proposition of the Standards will reflect the views of those in the industry who engage with the process. The consultation is open until the 5th March.

 

[Slippery Slope]

That’ll be a no then.

 

[jondear]

Have I missed it?

 

[Chris F]

That’ll be a no then.

The bit that worries me is that stakeholders - ie retail carry as much weight as farmers. Also that they only care about what you say if you want to go through the hour long process of filling in their consultation. NOTHING else matters.

The arrogance of this is astounding.

 

[Steevo]

The bit that worries me is that stakeholders - ie retail carry as much weight as farmers. Also that they only care about what you say if you want to go through the hour long process of filling in their consultation. NOTHING else matters.

The arrogance of this is astounding.

So some farmers (those on RT board) have helped shape the proposals.

“Those in the industry” probably as you say means the “food industry” rather than farming as might be assumed from that statement. I.e Farmers’ views will represent 2% of “those in their industry” rather than 100% of the farming industry.

 

[Drillman]

As paying members are all stakeholders really,

 

[melted welly]

Due to the number of threads on TFF at the moment, we have requested a statement from Red Tractor to see if they will be taking into account what indiviudal farmers are saying and the overwhelming numbers on the two polls.

Just so I’m clear, apart from farmers, do other ”members and stakeholders” pay?

 

[melted welly]

The bit that worries me is that stakeholders - ie retail carry as much weight as farmers. Also that they only care about what you say if you want to go through the hour long process of filling in their consultation. NOTHING else matters.

The arrogance of this is astounding.

Fresh produce is only an 83 page document to read.......

 

[Phil P]

So who’s actually read through the 52 pages of (combinable crops) amendments? I have and it looks like a load more paperwork bollox and stupid ideas. To name 1 you can’t put grain in a bucket or trailer if it’s damp, what if there’s a shower when loading or on the way to pick up a load from the field . Risk assessments for pretty much every job! It’s beyond a joke now.

https://assurance.redtractor.org.uk/contentfiles/Farmers-7183.pdf?_=637429480783114460

 

[melted welly]

Door discipline.
That’s another cracker, opening a door must be justified.

 

[Chris F]

So some farmers (those on RT board) have helped shape the proposals.

I can only assume so. I think said farmers must be fairly removed from farming reality though.

Will the farmers that helped design the consultation process please step forward?

 

[Drillman]

The thing that strikes me is this time RT and the bodies to which it aligns to seem to be a lot keener to hear views on there proposals.
how many times in the past have they added layers of pointlessness without letting us have a say!

I still think they will attempt to press on regardless of what we all think (which will be a big kick in the teeth for uk ag) but do get the feeling that there starting to take note that they ain’t as liked or wanted as they thought.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Being seen to "consult stakeholders" is on point and completely woke, didn't you know that? It's just due process and they will ignore what any farmer says anyway.

 

[MrNoo]

The thing that strikes me is this time RT and the bodies to which it aligns to seem to be a lot keener to hear views on there proposals.
how many times in the past have they added layers of pointlessness without letting us have a say!

I still think they will attempt to press on regardless of what we all think (which will be a big kick in the teeth for uk ag) but do get the feeling that there starting to take note that they ain’t as liked or wanted as they thought.

rubbish are they, they are just going through the motions, ticking a box and will carry on regardless.

 

[robs1]

What will happen is that 20% of the new proposals will be dumped so they can say, look we listened to you and dumped some stuff.

 

[tullah]

Being seen to "consult stakeholders" is on point and completely woke, didn't you know that? It's just due process and they will ignore what any farmer says anyway.

Which will be at their cost

 

[steveR]

So who’s actually read through the 52 pages of (combinable crops) amendments? I have and it looks like a load more paperwork bollox and stupid ideas. To name 1 you can’t put grain in a bucket or trailer if it’s damp, what if there’s a shower when loading or on the way to pick up a load from the field . Risk assessments for pretty much every job! It’s beyond a joke now.

https://assurance.redtractor.org.uk/contentfiles/Farmers-7183.pdf?_=637429480783114460

Do you have to sign the new Welfare Book to confirm you washed your hands after going to the Loo?

 

[Chris F]

What will happen is that 20% of the new proposals will be dumped so they can say, look we listened to you and dumped some stuff.

Well the request is for it all to be dumped along with some of the other pointless stuff too.

 

[Wooly]

To name 1 you can’t put grain in a bucket or trailer if it’s damp, what if there’s a shower when loading or on the way to pick up a load from the field .

Not sure how the food industry is going to cope with that one after it leaves the farm. Our local port has lorries tipping the grain onto the dockside to load into boats. The barges don't wait if it's raining and carry on regardless............. loading it all while the sea gulls and other birds are shitting all over it as well as eating it !!

 

[Princess Pooper]

Not sure how the food industry is going to cope with that one after it leaves the farm. Our local port has lorries tipping the grain onto the dockside to load into boats. The barges don't wait if it's raining and carry on regardless............. loading it all while the sea gulls and other birds are shitting all over it as well as eating it !!

We don't grow wheat any more but when we used to deliver our grain to local merchant, in a busy year there were heaps all over the concrete, both assured and non-assured. Didn't get shifted inside on the same day either. Of course the yard is totally rat and bird proof.