Statement from Red Tractor

[Drillman]

rubbish are they, they are just going through the motions, ticking a box and will carry on regardless.

I’m sure your right they wont Do them selves any favours if they do though.

they need to be reminded who pays there wages!

 

[Bury the Trash]

We don't grow wheat any more but when we used to deliver our grain to local merchant, in a busy year there were heaps all over the concrete, both assured and non-assured. Didn't get shifted inside on the same day either. Of course the yard is totally rat and bird proof.

i know its not quite the thing but...
i dare say eating atclives famous mouse dropping spread on a piece toast would not harm one as much as a glass or 2 of alchohol, or a cigarette or 2 or even a bottle of coke a cola

 

[Chris F]

I’m sure your right they wont Do them selves any favours if they do though.

they need to be reminded who pays there wages!

Their statement literally says they don’t care what farmers say unless you say it in their pre-defined way via their consultation.

It’s a strategy used by larger companies to control information flows and ensure they can respond how they want to. It also means they don’t have to bother acknowledging that 95% of farmers say they want to leave on a poll on here.

They will only care about the farmers who pay they wages, when en masse those farmers stop paying their wages. That they will listen to.

 

[Farmer1001]

Their statement literally says they don’t care what farmers say unless you say it in their pre-defined way via their consultation.

It’s a strategy used by larger companies to control information flows and ensure they can respond how they want to. It also means they don’t have to bother acknowledging that 95% of farmers say they want to leave on a poll on here.

They will only care about the farmers who pay they wages, when en masse those farmers stop paying their wages. That they will listen to.

So when are you going to start this mass resignation @Chris F @Clive - your hyping everyone up, telling them that RT will only listen if you resign, so when are you going to take the lead and get on with it?

 

[An Gof]

We don't grow wheat any more but when we used to deliver our grain to local merchant, in a busy year there were heaps all over the concrete, both assured and non-assured. Didn't get shifted inside on the same day either. Of course the yard is totally rat and bird proof.

Even the mighty Camgrain used to just tip it outside. Didn’t used to even have a concrete base just tipped it up on compacted chalk.
Guess it didn’t matter as they made a big thing about their contract with Sainsbury’s but then we all know Sainsbury’s don’t bother with RT logo .

 

[Bury the Trash]

infact it could be that a mouse turd dropping might actually test higher for certain minerals than a wheat grain and what about those reality tv shows where theres big in money in eating all sorts of 'unsual' things.

its a funny old World thats fer sure

 

[Werzle]

The bit that worries me is that stakeholders - ie retail carry as much weight as farmers. Also that they only care about what you say if you want to go through the hour long process of filling in their consultation. NOTHING else matters.

The arrogance of this is astounding.

They might think its arrogant of tff to think that it carries weight to influence it, many posters arent assurance members ,and a majority of farmers wouldnt be members of tff.

 

[Tarw Coch]

They might think its arrogant of tff to think that it carries weight to influence it, many posters arent assurance members ,and a majority of farmers wouldnt be members of tff.

The majority of farmers may not be members of TFF, As far as I know, very few of the farmers I know and meet in market (in more normal times) are but most of the ones I do know are and have been for some time, quite critical of RT.
So it’s not so much how many are members of TFF but are the views on TFF representative of the wider industry............and I’d say they were, infact I’d go as far as to say they’re less critical here, or at least the language used is more civilised.

 

[Farmer1001]

The majority of farmers may not be members of TFF, As far as I know, very few of the farmers I know and meet in market (in more normal times) are but most of the ones I do know are and have been for some time, quite critical of RT.
So it’s not so much how many are members of TFF but are the views on TFF representative of the wider industry............and I’d say they were, infact I’d go as far as to say they’re less critical here, or at least the language used is more civilised.

i think @Werzle is right that it’s arrogant to suggest TFF is today’s farmers platform and representative of the general view of British farmers. I know loads of farmers seriously disillusioned by RT - but unlikely to resign anytime soon!

 

[Clive]

They might think its arrogant of tff to think that it carries weight to influence it, many posters arent assurance members ,and a majority of farmers wouldnt be members of tff.

“TFF” aims to influence nothing ....... the farmers using clearly do

TFF simply provide a platform to give individuals (myself included) a voice

 

[Clive]

The majority of farmers may not be members of TFF, As far as I know, very few of the farmers I know and meet in market (in more normal times) are but most of the ones I do know are and have been for some time, quite critical of RT.
So it’s not so much how many are members of TFF but are the views on TFF representative of the wider industry............and I’d say they were, infact I’d go as far as to say they’re less critical here, or at least the language used is more civilised.

its fair to say that most uk farmers visit / are aware of TFF - 30,000 unique visitors every day 85% from UK certainly not all will be farmers but even if a smsllish % are thats still a LOT of farmers and other industry stakeholders. The numbers dwarf any other ag media, show or representation organisation now ........... these numbers are easy to verify, you don’t have to take my word for it

imo TFF would not be a lot of interest for those not involved in the industry and we don’t see a lot of none industry posts, but yes there will be none farmers amongst our numbers, thats not a bad thing however

as above though, TFF does. not represent anyone, it simply provides a platform so individuals can represent themselves and a valuable direct engagement tool for wider industry stakeholders

 

[teslacoils]

Because we can't speak with one voice, we get shafted by those who do. It's easier for few retailers to "align their views", although some may call it colluding, than 40000 producers.

I see no point in us having higher standards simply to receive the same price. Gold plating requires gold in the pocket.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

As paying members are all stakeholders really,

Paying members are the only stakeholders.

 

[Farmer1001]

its fair to say that most uk farmers visa TFF - 30,000 unique visitors every day 85% from UK certainly not all will be farmers but even if a smsllish % are thats still a LOT of farmers and other industry stakeholders. The numbers dwarf any other ag media, show or representation organisation now

imo TFF would not be a lot of interest for those not involved in the industry and we don’t see a lot of none industry posts

as above though, TFF does. not represent anyone, it simply provides a platform do individuals can represent themselves and a valuable direct engagement tool for wider industry stakeholders

Clive claiming TFF IS the place where U.K. farmers spend there time these days and that’s where RT should be looking is implying TFF represents farmers views.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

So when are you going to start this mass resignation?

Farm assurance will only crumble when merchants, mills & maltings start advertising that they will take non-assured cereals...

 

[roscoe erf]

Because we can't speak with one voice, we get shafted by those who do. It's easier for few retailers to "align their views", although some may call it colluding, than 40000 producers.

I see no point in us having higher standards simply to receive the same price. Gold plating requires gold in the pocket.

what you should have is a group representing all farmers kind of like a coopretive of maybe a union...................na that would never work

 

[roscoe erf]

Farm assurance will only crumble when merchants, mills & maltings start advertising that they will take non-assured cereals...

they would have no choice if most left

 

[Clive]

Clive claiming TFF IS the place where U.K. farmers spend there time these days and that’s where RT should be looking is implying TFF represents farmers views.

no

representation is what the likes of the NFU claim to do, they take their view of what their members want and lobby that view on their behalf

TFF does NOT do that - as i say it simply provides a independent platform where individuals can represent themselves and engage with others

TFF is just a platform or “soapbox”. it is NOT an organisation and does not lobby anyone


as an individual farmer who has his own opinions I use that soapbox like others do to make my views and opinions heard, its the only way an individual can get engagement with those that run uk ag like DEFRA, NFU, RT, AHDB etc who ALL read these pages .......... some do even listen !

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Clive claiming TFF IS the place where U.K. farmers spend there time these days and that’s where RT should be looking is implying TFF represents farmers views.

We have requested a statement from Red Tractor to see if they will be taking into account what individual farmers are saying

Requesting a statement from RT on behalf of TFF members implies that TFF represents members?

 

[Tarw Coch]

i think @Werzle is right that it’s arrogant to suggest TFF is today’s farmers platform and representative of the general view of British farmers. I know loads of farmers seriously disillusioned by RT - but unlikely to resign anytime soon!

I wasn’t trying to say that TFF represents all farmers, more that the opinions voiced on TFF are pretty much in line with those who I speak to who to the best of my knowledge aren’t on TFF.
I agree most are unlikely to resign, if only because they feel they have no other choice.