Stealing food to solve the food crisis.

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
There were many people that should’ve gone to jail for their involvement in the run up to 2008. The fact that virtually no one did means that it’s all going to happen again.
disgusting, an inditement against British society and politics that those that caused and profited from the crash where not jailed. They should have been and the key thrown away in my opinion.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
You lot really don't know what theft is. No one here black or white can leave cattle out grazing at night because they'll be stolen often they'll be stolen from the stockyards at night so you have to have a guard. Whilst your cattle are tucked away at night then other people will be out grazing your grass I actually know someone who got shot and killed objecting to this and we've had dogs speared chasing cattle away. You've got to have a herdsman with your livestock to stop them being stolen when grazing but we''ve had a herdsman give cows away to his mate. We had a goatherd who when one gave birth would slaughter and eat another so that the numbers were always the same at the end of the day. So we gave up livestock as it was too stressful and went fully cropping but we can't grow maize because it gets stolen often by the people paid to guard it. This year we chopped about fifteen acres a month from harvest because if we had left it there would have been nothing left our security said it was warthogs obviously highly evolved warthogs who could pick it and carry it off in sacks. In some areas people will wait until your wheat is ready then come in with a donkey and cart and cut it before you can. A friend tipped his car over driving through a straw pile that was left by the combine only it wasn't just straw it was a tonne of corn covered by straw, his combine driver got over the hill out of sight opened the auger dumped a bit covered it with straw to be collected later. We hired a tipper truck that we had to fill with diesel. After a couple of days we worked out that its fuel consumption was about two gallons a mile because as soon as he left our yard he was into the village with a can and hosepipe. My landlords manager caught a tractor driver stealing diesel on making his escape the driver ran him over, a Fiat 180/90 is a heavy tractor we found out. Obviously this is trivial compared to the Dutch company that I sold broccoli to that went bankrupt owing us £80,000.
I was on hols in Tanzania (30 years ago), I remember in a hotel in Arusha, middle of the afternoon in the bar having a soda, the bar itself had railings with the drinks passed through a hatch, and the girl behind the bar locked it when she went out from serving (and there were only half a dozen people in the room), and the corner shops in the township we stayed in near Dar again had a hatch to pass goods through. Went on a short "walking safari", had an armed guide with us, I asked him what he had the gun for, he said to protect us from................robbers!
 

glasshouse

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Location
lothians
You lot really don't know what theft is. No one here black or white can leave cattle out grazing at night because they'll be stolen often they'll be stolen from the stockyards at night so you have to have a guard. Whilst your cattle are tucked away at night then other people will be out grazing your grass I actually know someone who got shot and killed objecting to this and we've had dogs speared chasing cattle away. You've got to have a herdsman with your livestock to stop them being stolen when grazing but we''ve had a herdsman give cows away to his mate. We had a goatherd who when one gave birth would slaughter and eat another so that the numbers were always the same at the end of the day. So we gave up livestock as it was too stressful and went fully cropping but we can't grow maize because it gets stolen often by the people paid to guard it. This year we chopped about fifteen acres a month from harvest because if we had left it there would have been nothing left our security said it was warthogs obviously highly evolved warthogs who could pick it and carry it off in sacks. In some areas people will wait until your wheat is ready then come in with a donkey and cart and cut it before you can. A friend tipped his car over driving through a straw pile that was left by the combine only it wasn't just straw it was a tonne of corn covered by straw, his combine driver got over the hill out of sight opened the auger dumped a bit covered it with straw to be collected later. We hired a tipper truck that we had to fill with diesel. After a couple of days we worked out that its fuel consumption was about two gallons a mile because as soon as he left our yard he was into the village with a can and hosepipe. My landlords manager caught a tractor driver stealing diesel on making his escape the driver ran him over, a Fiat 180/90 is a heavy tractor we found out. Obviously this is trivial compared to the Dutch company that I sold broccoli to that went bankrupt owing us £80,000.
Did he survive the fiat?
 

Paddington

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Location
Soggy Shropshire
In Uganda on holiday years ago we seemed to be stopping to buy bread every couple of days. As it was the white sliced type which keeps for days I couldn't understand why they didn't stock up for several days, but somebody in the group was caught having a second piece of toast for breakfast :rolleyes: before we were told there was an official famine. Apparently the guide took his life in his hands (his words) every time he entered a shop as a white man, to buy bread.
 

JD-Kid

Member
mate was telling me years ago there was a tire outfit in Canada that gave out fake money that could be redeemed for goods from the tire shop IE buy a tire get 2000 tire dollars etc but buying value was crap might of been only worth 5 bucks
any hows they had stacks of this money went to some deep dark country on holidays hid there main money bit off small notes in wallet and envelopes full of the fake money got held up nearly even 2nd day empty out wallet and give the robbers the contents of a envelope drive off hahaha
 
I think this whole thread / story derives from a comment that anyone caught stealing food from a shop through desperation should be given a degree of understanding / help rather than make their lives more difficult at a greater cost to us all. That doesn't seem too unreasonable.
bulls**t, you want it you pay for it, harden the feck up.
People need to prioritise spending, any if anything grow their own food especially vegetables rather than thinking the supermarket and the taxpayers can provide or pay for everything.
If you believe in this soft approach you will only get lead down the path of welfare dependency.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
I was on hols in Tanzania (30 years ago), I remember in a hotel in Arusha, middle of the afternoon in the bar having a soda, the bar itself had railings with the drinks passed through a hatch, and the girl behind the bar locked it when she went out from serving (and there were only half a dozen people in the room), and the corner shops in the township we stayed in near Dar again had a hatch to pass goods through. Went on a short "walking safari", had an armed guide with us, I asked him what he had the gun for, he said to protect us from................robbers!
In Uganda on holiday years ago we seemed to be stopping to buy bread every couple of days. As it was the white sliced type which keeps for days I couldn't understand why they didn't stock up for several days, but somebody in the group was caught having a second piece of toast for breakfast :rolleyes: before we were told there was an official famine. Apparently the guide took his life in his hands (his words) every time he entered a shop as a white man, to buy bread.
I once saw a crowd chase someone who had stolen something from a shop or kiosk chased down the road by about 50 people. I didn't give much for his chances. People tend to be very hypocritical,stealing from a big concern (farm) is o.k but stealing from an individual is very bad but theft is theft.
 
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toquark

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You lot really don't know what theft is. No one here black or white can leave cattle out grazing at night because they'll be stolen often they'll be stolen from the stockyards at night so you have to have a guard. Whilst your cattle are tucked away at night then other people will be out grazing your grass I actually know someone who got shot and killed objecting to this and we've had dogs speared chasing cattle away. You've got to have a herdsman with your livestock to stop them being stolen when grazing but we''ve had a herdsman give cows away to his mate. We had a goatherd who when one gave birth would slaughter and eat another so that the numbers were always the same at the end of the day. So we gave up livestock as it was too stressful and went fully cropping but we can't grow maize because it gets stolen often by the people paid to guard it. This year we chopped about fifteen acres a month from harvest because if we had left it there would have been nothing left our security said it was warthogs obviously highly evolved warthogs who could pick it and carry it off in sacks. In some areas people will wait until your wheat is ready then come in with a donkey and cart and cut it before you can. A friend tipped his car over driving through a straw pile that was left by the combine only it wasn't just straw it was a tonne of corn covered by straw, his combine driver got over the hill out of sight opened the auger dumped a bit covered it with straw to be collected later. We hired a tipper truck that we had to fill with diesel. After a couple of days we worked out that its fuel consumption was about two gallons a mile because as soon as he left our yard he was into the village with a can and hosepipe. My landlords manager caught a tractor driver stealing diesel on making his escape the driver ran him over, a Fiat 180/90 is a heavy tractor we found out. Obviously this is trivial compared to the Dutch company that I sold broccoli to that went bankrupt owing us £80,000.
This reminds me of a girl from Argentina who stayed with us on an exchange. She was from quite a well to do farming family, big cattle ranch. Her parents had a holiday house in the Andes where they would spend the summer. We got talking about crime one day and she said in South America, your house doesn’t get burgled, it gets stolen. When we asked what she meant she said that they turned up one summer for their annual trip to find a concrete pad where the house once stood, they’d literally stolen everything.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
bulls**t, you want it you pay for it, harden the feck up.
People need to prioritise spending, any if anything grow their own food especially vegetables rather than thinking the supermarket and the taxpayers can provide or pay for everything.
If you believe in this soft approach you will only get lead down the path of welfare dependency.

I agree in the main.
But you have to accept that 'the norm' for many, is to have everything paid straight in and out of an account automatically. Businesses love direct debits because it stops people from prioritising what they pay for.
And not everyone is subscribing to sky, gin club and Peloton.
There will sadly be a huge number of people that will find that once the rent, electric, water , phone and finance on the car has been paid, there isn't anything in their account.
If these people can't find away to cope, they will be forced down the path of welfare dependency.
A little help, may just keep their heads above water.
It takes a little while for vegetables to grow.
 
I agree in the main.
But you have to accept that 'the norm' for many, is to have everything paid straight in and out of an account automatically. Businesses love direct debits because it stops people from prioritising what they pay for.
And not everyone is subscribing to sky, gin club and Peloton.
There will sadly be a huge number of people that will find that once the rent, electric, water , phone and finance on the car has been paid, there isn't anything in their account.
If these people can't find away to cope, they will be forced down the path of welfare dependency.
A little help, may just keep their heads above water.
It takes a little while for vegetables to grow.
Who the feck buys a car on finance???!!!
I'd rather own a Mk3 Cortina than have a wanky Audi/BMW/MB, ffs people need to get their financial priorities sorted out.
FFS my daily driver is 37 years old!!!
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
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Devon
Who the feck buys a car on finance???!!!
I'd rather own a Mk3 Cortina than have a wanky Audi/BMW/MB, ffs people need to get their financial priorities sorted out.
FFS my daily driver is 37 years old!!!

Me too.

I think only about 10% of new cars in the UK are purchased 'outright'.

And the percentage of second hand cars bought with finance is probably headed that way.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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Livestock Farmer
Who the feck buys a car on finance???!!!
I'd rather own a Mk3 Cortina than have a wanky Audi/BMW/MB, ffs people need to get their financial priorities sorted out.
FFS my daily driver is 37 years old!!!
About 95% of UK car "owners" these days.

In fact, most people driving cars under 5 years old never own them, they just lease them. Retail garages are really finance businesses these days, cars are just the hook they use to get you to take the finance.

Dad commented a few years ago that our congestion problem would cease overnight if they took all the cars off the road that weren't fully paid for!
 

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